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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Sweden, you do not get forced into the life of a criminal, it’s a choice you make.

No but you might get forced into the life of a perpetually unemployed, be looked down on by nearly everyone the whole of your life. Note how I said "status", not just "money". Noone lives for money alone.

But in order to integrate, you must be willing, and therein lies the root of the problem.

Again these cop-outs. What you say doesn't even begin to make sense. How is someone willing or not willing the root of the problem? That people are or are not willing has causes! Find your root there, continue to investigate, don't cut off you interest at the exact point where you can blame everything on someone else.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Immigrants have the same possibilities as everyone else in Sweden.

So if it's not their willingness to integrate, what is it then?

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My god. I live in the country I was born in and even I can see that the odds are not stacked equally for immigrants. Sorry, but it’s hard to take your comment in good faith, hence the downvote.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Do you live in Sweden? Or how do you know that?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I already explained why the possibilities are not the same. Are you going to address that directly, or just assume I don't remember what I said?

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said:

At some point immigrant children ceased to have proper access to proper socio-economic status

What does that even mean, give us an example is what I'm saying.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you want me to explain what socio-economic status means? Because I already explained the access part. I also explained, elsewhere in this thread, that it doesn't simply mean money.

But long story short: It's what long-term unemployed don't have. At least not in current European societies.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are long term unemployment amongst all groups in Sweden and systems in place to fix it. Why do immigrants stand out?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they're not as adept at having their criminality blend in than more native Swedes.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Blend in? Wth are you talking about? And you started this with som socio-economic ramblings. I really don't think you know as much as you think you do.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's hard to even know what to say to this.. Everything you've been saying has been pretty disingenuous, I think it's called virtue signalling.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol, Ok thats funny. And what virtue would that be?

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's equal opportunity bro, everyone has exactly the same opportunities, foreigners are treated just as well as Swedes, the only reason they're not succeeding is because they're lazy immigrants ofc.. So fucking whack.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well shit man, you said it, but I never did. Seems you've good some defined conception, though, so feel free to share.

Or don't I couldn't give a fuck really

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Immigrants have the same possibilities as everyone else in Sweden.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was more referring to how you said immigrants are lazy.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's implied by what you say and the attitude towards them.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No it's not, and here is an opportunity for you to learn something new: just because you might feel something is implied, or if you think someone holds a certain opinion doesn't make it so. Don't assume, just ask if you need to.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So then what exactly were you saying? Because whatever you were saying, I as a foreigner in Sweden, definitely don't have the same perspective as you. Whatever rose tinted glasses you're looking at the Swedish system through doesn't seem to reflect the reality of many foreigners, most especially refugees. But it's easy to just say "everyone has the same opportunities here".

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Vad Γ€r det som jag har som inte du har menar du?