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Let's just murder anyone who doesn't agree with us. This will surely lead to an orderly, civilized society.
No, let's just murder anyone whose skin colour I personally hate.
The difference is, your scenario is made up, and the scenario I described happened a lot
You don't think anyone has been murdered for having the wrong ideas?
To be true, both scenarios happened alot of times already.
Have you ever heard of the Cambodian genocide?
Go to Russia or North Korea and start saying things the government doesn't agree with. I'm sure you'll be fine.
Oh, I have just escaped Russia, not going back there any time soon, thank you. Still, you are getting jailed and killed there for openly expressing very particular sort of ideas, which is very different from jailing and killing everyone from different ethnicity indiscriminately
I believe this is an example of a "straw man" argument.
First you mischaracterize OP's claim -- basically "tolerance of the intolerant leads to the intolerant gaining power and not being tolerant" becomes "murder all who disagree". Then you use sarcasm to knock down the straw man you built (because of course murdering all who disagree is bad).
It's more a criticism of the rampant idea I see floating around on Lemmy that people that hold harmful political views should be executed. What does "intolerance" look like?
That's what Nazis do and why everyone else is trying to ban them.
Walking the fine line is hard. But here's a real life example: demomstrators armed with rifles and guarding outside Drag events have reduced the level of vitriol nearby and led fascists to whine about it on Twitter and question their pro 2A belief system.
noo but as long as they agree with MY views they are fine (my views are objectively correct) /s
So what happens when someone has views that objectively do threaten everyone else? Do we sacrifice the safety of all just to not be hypocrites? Because I'd personally rather be a hypocrite than a genocide victim
Ideas don't threaten anyone. Actions do.
Ohh, yes they do. Ideas dictate your actions, to start. And even someone holding negative ideas toward you in and of itself is an inherent threat to your existence in a lot of ways. I have lived most of my life that way, because of racism, and the fact that people inwardly hated me for what I am affected my ability to be able to be properly integrated and accepted into any community, hampering my ability to develop functionally, which I have to work hard every day to repair as an adult.
My right to be accepted as a kid and be able to develop social skills around people who wanted me around and therefore would speak with me in good faith absolutely trumped the rest of the community's right to hold hateful ideas. Yet here we are.
If you hate someone because of race, or gender or whatever stupid fucking superficial characteristic is a problem this time, you need to leave, not me.
Where do you live that everyone around you hated you for your race? While racists do exist, your average person does not care.
Also, you don't have a right to have people around you like you.
A white racist town where I was hated and unwanted for being Black. Because that's what you're defending when you cry about free speech. That's what they believe free speech and other human rights like freedom of association means: that they can have their white-only enclaves and chase out anyone who isn't like them. They couldn't kick me out because I was a kid, but they broke me in other, far more insidious ways. And they were able to do it because it's not a free speech issue, it's a racism issue.
You tell that to your compatriots whose bigotry you are defending.