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[–] Guildo@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I wish we would do it more often. But in fact west-germany and now whole germany always were slow in fighting against Nazis. Currently we have an extreme right-wing party in our parliaments. Many say they're all Nazis and our secret services say that large parts of them are Nazis. It's not funny anymore. Many people are thinking about leaving the country, especially jews. And if they're going to win the first big elections in the next few years, this won't be funny. Democracy will fail in germany, if we don't do anything about it. I am talking about AfD. https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/thueringen/umfrage-landtagswahl-sonntagsfrage-100.html if you look at the charts, you'll see that they're already the biggest force in Thüringen (one of our states). It's scary. Here's a source of our secret services, that they're extreme right-wing: https://verfassungsschutz.thueringen.de/rechtsextremismus/rechtsextremismus-thueringen/verdachtsfall-afd It says that parts of the party are a threat to our democracy.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There will be nowhere to run including worldwide because it's happening in every country even USA, Italy, Poland. You have to protect your country from within by participating politically. I sometimes wonder if this started with Putin helping install shadow candidates in various countries to make them dictator friendly but it's hard to say if it was that or happened organically.

[–] Guildo@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It didn't start with Putin. It started with destabilizing the socialistic states and fighting the left. You can argue that the socialism wasn't good, I am fine with it - but you have to understand that this was the beginning. You can begin with Italy, after ww2 it became nearly socialistic - the US were against it. Same with Poland, it became far right after the fall of the USSR. And even Russia - you know where it started? 1994 after Gorbashev. And now we have the problems starting in germany, in east-germany. After the end of the GDR there were nobody who fought against Nazis. They spread like hell and even the secret services ignored it. Now 30 years later we have huge problems. I don't know if everybody remembers, but there was Rostock-Lichtenhagen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fiEHBGknF4) - it was nearly after the reunification. In the GDR this would've been impossible, in new germany even the politicians participated with the demonstrations (at the beginning, later with escalation it changed). It was horrible. Nobody wanted to see it. They had 30 years time.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And while they're at it, get rid of the BILD for being a large part of how the AfD successfully managed to sell their "we're the will of the people"-propaganda, because they push their hate lines consistently and ceaselessly.

[–] Guildo@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

You can't get rid of BILD, because of press-freedom. It's very very difficult. You're right, if you're saying they're a big problem, but they're not extremistic. If you look at NIUS on the other hand - WTF! NIUS of openly everything, you think BILD is already. There is something big coming and I am really afraid of it. And yes, NIUS is from Reichelt, the guy who was kicked out of BILD.

[–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Germany has a very modern and strong constitution to prevent something like the 3rd Reich coming back.

[–] Guildo@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're from germany? Where have you read it? Do you know what happened with the Weimarer Republik? If our secret services warn about it, you should believe it. It's also not just about the Bundestag, it's about all institutions. It's serious.

[–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We updated the constitution after WW2. I guess it’s one of the most modern in the world. If even trump couldn’t turn the US into a dictatorship despite the horribly outdated constitution and voting system I have relatively high hopes for Germany, even if those idiots get into government for a term.

[–] Guildo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Guess what? The constitution of the Weimarer Republik is also one of the most modern in the world. What do you wanna say with this? Those are just nice words. The problem with our constitution is, that you have to interpret everything in it. What is "Würde"? Have you seen "Würde" in your life? Can you touch it? No, you can't. Also we have a lot of exceptions. In theory, nobody of the state can enter your house, if you don't allow it. But if you get Bürgergeld suddenly it's allowed. Weird, right? So, if right wing people get into all instutions, if they become judges etc. we have suddenly a lot of problems. What if they become Bundesrichter? What if they rule the Bundesverfassungsgericht? Then we have huge, huge problems. All nice stuff, to prevent Nazism is worthless, if the AfD gets a lot of votes. And the voting-system doesn't help you a little bit, if the people are voting AfD.