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Unclear what to do with pitchfork:
Use it on the dumbass ambulance crew.
Volunteer first responder here. In EVOC (emergency vehicle operations course), you’re taught that, when in emergency mode, you should TRY to pass on the left because that’s what people expect and you don’t want them doing unexpected things while you’re speeding, passing, and caring for a patient.
BUT… you’re also taught to use your goddamned brain, and the “pass on the left” thing is a guideline, not a rule. If traffic is stopped and you have a safe path, you take it.
This driver was being overly dogmatic about how they pass traffic, and their stubborn refusal to pass on the right contributed to the mortality of their patient.
However, “stupid” isn’t “criminal”, and there’s no way to say that the patient would have survived even if they had teleported to the hospital - emergency medicine is just a “do your best” situation, and bad outcomes happen.
So, if I were this crew’s chief or shift lieutenant, which I’m not, but if I were, I’d strip the driver of their driving privileges until they went back through EVOC again, and wrote “I will be flexible in my operations and not be a dogmatic dipshit on an emergency scene.” 1000 times.
Fuck this.
Sorry. Not everything is intended for your entertainment.
If the video clears them, why decline to share it publicly?
"A Cruise spokesperson said the company offered to share video footage with San Francisco officials. As of Saturday morning, Cruise said, city officials had not reviewed the footage. It was unclear why."
wtf
So the next time they have video that implicates them, they can say it's policy to not release video.
Privacy, also.
The last thing they want is people to realize these things are incredibly invasive to everyone’s privacy. (Including the people using them)
Such videos will be suppeaned by court and deleting them is a serious offense .
It's ok, the company can afford the fee.
It's very common for companies to lock their shit down if they get even a whiff of potential legal action, regardless of guilt.
Use it on the human driver:
"a pedestrian hit by a vehicle"
We don't know if the self-driving cars might have delayed the ambulance. What we do know is that a human driver hit a pedestrian so hard that the pedestrian was killed.
The question I see unanswered is whether the victim had survivability under any circumstances.
Very hard to tell if 90 seconds is life or death. Every second counts but if they made it to the ER with a minute and a half to spare I don’t know if they would have had enough time for meaningful intervention.
I'm not sure that's an important question. In my view, even if it turned out correct, "This particular victim would have died anyway, so delaying emergency vehicles is fine" is a logical fallacy, an ethical error and a failure of empathy.
Proximate cause is an important part of legal theory and extremely important in deontological ethics. You're way off base if you think it's not important.
You are clearly a Very Intelligent Expert and a Wise and Knowledgeable person, so I must bow to your greater, deeper and fuller understanding.
I was weak, pathetic and stupid for thinking that the safety concerns this raises were more important than the technicalities of this individual case. Please accept my humble apologies. I'm sure you'll have further corrections for my naive fumblings and I await your Academic Input eagerly.
Ok.
Ah and now you beat me in debate by writing a shorter answer without giving credibility to my main point by engaging with it in any way. You're such a winner.
Ok.
Also, the article had virtually no information on the actual incident. As far as I can see, the only information is: "a pedestrian hit by a vehicle". But, this is a case of a human driver causing such a serious injury to a pedestrian that the pedestrian died.
99.9% of the blame for the death of this pedestrian is due to the human driver who hit them. 0.1% of the blame is the self-driving cars which may (or may not) have delayed the ambulance slightly.
I understand why the focus of the article is the self-driving cars. But it is a tragedy how often human drivers kill pedestrians, cyclists, other drivers, etc.
I wonder if the ambulance was running lights and siren, and if the vehicles passing on the right tried to give way to the ambulance?