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Can any Icelanders explain the point of this to me?
No we can not. This is fucked up. It's one rich guy's hobby:
https://ranflygenring.substack.com/p/my-whale-report
Im Icelandic and I can confirm this. This massive asshole (Kristjan Loftson) has plenty of money and one hobby, killing whales. He as lost aprox. 20m€ on whaling in the years he has been hunting them.
...kill him?
I mean, or watch hundreds, thousands of whales die.
Just one dude, man. I dunno, not Icelandic so it isn't really an opportunity I'd have but, um. If all else fails, right?
The train's gonna hit something. Pull the lever.
He will probably kill 10-20 finback whales so we are not talking about very large numbers. Also it would not be good for Icelandic politics if someone would kill him, he could become somekind if whale killer martyr and Iceland would continue to kill whales after his death.
Well that's just as easily solved by more killing. There can't be more than like 20 people in the country that have a massive boner for murdering whales.
The killing will continue until morale improves
Would it be more whales? Less?
There's a minimum whale population before genetic defects start having impact between mates..
I'm not advocating direct violence, but mixing sand into the hunting boat's engine oil and other more peaceful methods should be considered if the government won't listen to reason by its people.
Then you kill the next figurehead for whaling. Eventually, they'll get the point.
Whatw as that expression again.. "an eye for an eye... Is a really great idea"?
Killing evil people is a time-honored tradition.
Then who will kill the people who became evil by murdering?
Killing someone is not inherently evil.
See also tolerance paradox.
Unless you subscribe to any one of most of the worlds' belief systems. Or unless your parents did and some of it sort of rubbed off on you. Or if you think law and order is important. But outside of that, yeah, of course, killing is completely neutral moral gray area. /s
Virtually all legal systems make allowances for killing someone in self-defense.
And you could probably fill a library with all the written works on the ethics of killing.
But yeah, sure, let's just pretend that it's completely self-evident that killing is always wrong.
Who said it's morally neutral?
"killing isn't inherently wrong"
I don't care to argue anymore semantics. You get what I'm saying and I get you. I just think that killing feels wrong for good reason, and that's a very popular opinion. Stop acting like it's a silly one.
Killing is wrong in general, but can be justified by circumstances.
It is never neutral. Only ever unacceptable or justified.
E.g. killing billions by making the world uninhabitable is unacceptable, whereas smashing an oil execs face in with a baseball bat is obviously justified.
Then you would have no qualms explaining that to their 4 year old daughter who watched you do it.
Why would I force a child to watch violence? You're a very strange person.
I'm sure we can find volunteers willing to kill themselves once they're done with the killing. 🤷♂️
let the whales decide his fate
If he's doing this for profit, there has to be a consumer... Who are the consumers and what are they buying?
Sadly, there is whale meat in our supermarkets and restaurants. The only reason they can sell it is because the some of the whale is "necessary" for "research", and the meat is a "byproduct".
What kind of research necessitates killing whales??
Research of the taste of whale meat
Why are you government or judges so shady when it comes to this? Like, what is the actual reasson, that this is not forbidden and nobody is in jail? You have a democracy in iceland, right?
Amazing that such sweeping devastation can be tracked back to one piece of shit.
I'm not Icelandic nor am I a lawyer, but i bet he would stop if his car were harpooned enough times.
I'm pretty sure he would stop if he were harpooned once. Harpoons don't just grow on trees y'know, gotta be thrifty.
So it's not some indigenous thing like in the Americas and is just pure evil capitalism? Ugh!
Yup, we don't even eat whale, only tourists do because they think it's part of our culture.
And here is the asshole making a whole nation look bad yet again;
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/13/the-last-whaler-we-can-hunt-forever-says-iceland-kristjan-loftsson