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Rivian CEO issues strong statement about people who purchase gas-powered cars: ‘Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’::"I don't think I would have believed it."

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[–] killabeezio@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The infrastructure just isn't there yet. If you live in apartments, where will you charge it? Can the overall electrical grid handle the load if let's say 50% of people that own an electrical car? How do these cars do in extreme weather conditions? How much does it cost to repair them? How long will they last for? EVs are super expensive.

We can't even decide on a standard charging port.

While I will eventually get an EV, there are problems that need to be addressed still.

Tesla has ton of quality issues and riven is brand new. Why would I trust them?

[–] frazw@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the charging port thing is slowly resolving Type2/CCS seem to be winning. Most chargers I find that are relatively new support both type 2 and chademo. In a few years I don't think you will need to consider this and if buying today I'd stick with type 2.

I also heard that since the electric grid is designed to handle peak loads, it is over specced for today's needs and there is a lot of time during which it could be updated before we get closer to its limits. I also had these thoughts but in practice most people charge overnight when a bunch of daytime devices are off. We might not use 7kW at home during the day, but businesses use a ton of electricity during the day. AC when is hot heating when it's cold, PCs and monitors during the day, lights even though its daytime and that is before you get to a lot of power intensive specialist equipment that isn't used at night typically, like hospital diagnostic instruments etc etc etc.

I also wouldn't judge everyone on Teslas track record. It is clear other car companies are going now slowly and taking more care. Rivian may be a bit different being a new comer but that is certainly true of the established manufacturers.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

The UK was replacing their old streetlights with LED, which frees up a lot of electricity.

And at the same time put chargers in every street pole they replaced.

Those apartments can charge there.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Oh, and you get to change your battery in 3 years for $20k because it's worn out.

There are some big problems that get glossed over that you learn about when you own one, unless you've done enough research to know when people are blowing sunshine up your ass.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

Current battery technology easily lasts 10 year. The good ones even outlast the car they are installed in.

[–] frazw@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I worried about the battery until I had this thought (and looked at the 8 year warranty ):

Phone battery, charged every night, approx 1000 charge cycles thus lasts 3 years ish.

Car battery, charged as needed maybe every 4-7 days. Approx 1000 charge cycles thus lasts 12 to 21 years. Total battery failure is something else entirely but you said "worn out".

If you needed to charge every night it might mean short range which means cheaper battery to replace or you are doing lots of miles. My car could do 200 miles easily before recharging or up to 300 with more care. If doing 200 miles a day you are doing 73,000 miles per year so in 3 years 220,000 approx. Any car probably needs some serious work done to it after that much.

Anyway we are still bringing this tech along so I reckon either prices will drop and/or car manufacturers will make them more serviceable so you don't need to replace the whole thing but maybe sub modules at a time.

[–] SolNine@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know where you got that info from but that is certainly not the norm... There are Tesla cabs in Vegas with over a million miles, and most of these battery packs retain close to 90% of their capacity even after 10 years. I'm sure there are exceptions, but 3 years is silly.

Yes there are problems and hurdles to overcome but I'd rank that pretty low.