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Tobacco smoking.
Having to wear clothes in public.
Im just happy some peoples dirty butts hasn't made direct contact with the seat im sitting in. Thats a good reason we have to wear clothes imho. Cleanliness and respect for sharing the world with others makes it okay to have rules about attire in public spaces.
But the whole showing skin being so goddamn taboo for real people, while at the same time near nudity and sexuality on publicly visible advertising boards is completely ok, thats a double standard I can't understand.
And the modern fear of showing non-sexual nudity to kids. Its very noticeable how bad an effect it have had on our society by now: Kids are hesitant to change and shower after gym. People don't undress and do a proper shower before entering public swimming pools.
The nudity taboo is a problem of sexist sexualisation and sexualised violence, among others.
Imagine being able to walk to the cafe with your friends in scorching heat without having to bother with constricting, sweaty and heavy clothing without being sexualised or ridiculed or attacked (things that also happen when clothed, btw).
Tobacco smoking, at least cigarettes, is quickly becoming de-normalized in some countries. In New Zealand they did a ban with current smokers grandfathered in essentially. In the US, there is more and more hostility to smoking.
People will cough and act dramatic when you smoke outside, you can't smoke inside of anywhere but bars anymore (and only some bars at that). Smoking is seen as low brow - typically mostly done by the lower rungs of society.
Zizek talks about this a bit and claims it's ideology. You are compelled to enjoy and be a hedonist - but never too much.
Personally, I quit smoking a long time ago but I think alcohol is much worse but doesn't get nearly the same treatment.
People can get sick from secondhand smoke. Yes, it's true that alcoholics can affect people around them, it's not as obvious as blowing smelly smoke in someone's face.
Typically only in cases where they are getting repeated exposure. For example children who live with parents who smoke inside. Someone breathing in cigarette smoke in passing in a well ventilated area is probably no more dangerous to their health than eating fast food or drinking soda.
I'm much more concerned with drunk driving and the thousands of annual deaths associated with that. Not to mention drunks beating their wives or getting into fights, etc
Smoking is bad, no doubt. But I really do think the societal rubberband snap is a strange effect we're having. Almost everyone used to smoke - now nobody does. It's very interesting.
Basically, we're in agreement. My point is that people see A blowing smoke into B's face and instantly notice it, while drunk driving deaths are a statistic they read about. It's not logical, but most human reactions aren't logical.
Good point.
About 60% cases of violence where the police has to intervene have to do with alcohol.
The thing is that drinking it looks innocent, since you have to drink (water) in order to stay alive. But alcohol is literal poison.
See my other commnets in this thread.
Also, we've tried alcohol prohibition and the results were worse.
Too true. That makes me worry about tobacco prohibition as well. And just when the world is starting to move on from cannabis prohibition, it seems like we really need to keep making this mistake eh
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My problem with smoking is 1. it's addictive so most people doing it don't even want to so banning it will only stop addiction and 2. second hand smoke
It's called public indecency for a reason
You can get addicted to second hand smoke, I remember when my dad said stopped smoking in the car and going through withdrawal when I was nine or so. So when I started smoking in my teenage years it was really just a relapse