That is the thing though, until you abolish class contradictions states are the most effective way of protecting the revolution and suppressing the bourgeoisie. So authority does equal self defense in a real, meaningful way.

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, since states can get couped. The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

Could you point to examples?

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

And the fact that Engels wrote it proves that there were people in the movement even in those early days who disagreed.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have an idea of what a state is, but what's a "soviet"? That's not an English word.

What does "soviet" mean in Russian?

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know you're being cute but "soviet" is indeed a word in English: http://dict.org/bin/Dict


  Soviet
      adj 1: of or relating to or characteristic of the former Soviet
             Union or its people; "Soviet leaders"
      n 1: an elected governmental council in a communist country
           (especially one that is a member of the Union of Soviet
           Socialist Republics)

And it means what I intended it to mean, the official state ideology of the USSR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union