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[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have, its a terrible "rebuttal" of anarchist criticism of marxism, conflating self-defence with authority.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is the thing though, until you abolish class contradictions states are the most effective way of protecting the revolution and suppressing the bourgeoisie. So authority does equal self defense in a real, meaningful way.

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, since states can get couped. The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

Could you point to examples?

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

And the fact that Engels wrote it proves that there were people in the movement even in those early days who disagreed.