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Horseshoe theory!
Horseshoe theory is bullshit. One side has extremists who burn down cars the other has extremists who burn people. It is not the same.
The third side has people who burn themselves.
🤔 Isn't there a logical fallacy that addresses erroneously comparing two things in such a manner? If not, we badly need to make a new one.
Are you thinking of equivocation? The very first one here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fallacies/
No no, not that one. I think it's like a genetic fallacy but I am not sure. It's like when dumbasses say fighting evil is the same as being evil.
I'm quite sure it is, because equivocation often occurs by boiling down two disparate concepts to the same vague and simple description, in this case "using violence against those you disagree with". Genetic fallacy is guilt by association.
It is called a false equivalence but you can argue that the extreme left/right are much more inclined to violence without making a false equivalence.
Ehh. There are centrists and people from other factions who support violence too, snd extremists who do not. There's a lot of nuance in the situation
I'd argue if they are arguing for violence they aren't centrists.
Really? The guy who thinks both sides are the same and wants them to kill each other so they'll all shut the fuck up isn't a centrist?
Nonviolence is not a requirement to be a centrist. Believing both the American left and right are the same or very similar, and/or believing in horseshoe theory is all that's required.
You are adding the bit that they want them to kill each other. That's not a centrist attitude. The centrist would be asking everyone to try to work together rather than forcing others to toe our specific line.
That's simply not how centrism works. Centrism is not and has never been about nonviolence. It has been about viewing the two major factions in the U.S. as the same or similar, and honestly trying to view or portray oneself as superior to both. Nonviolence can be used for such purposes but is not required.
So the issue is you have no idea what centrism means.
The issue is you think centrism means being like you when it is anything but.