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The sorry state of streaming residuals shows why SAG and the WGA are striking.

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[–] cbarrick@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My honest question is, why those writers should be any different?

So I am also an engineer. Products that I have developed/contributed to development are used by millions of people. (I'm being a bit cheeky here by copying you, but this is true of me too.)

The compensation packages of engineers are wildly different than that of writers because our jobs are steady.

The compensation structure of writers is designed to carry them between shows when they are not making any money. They also need excess cash to fund retirement savings, insurance, and other benefits because they are unemployed for long and unpredictable stretches.

The residuals system was designed to address this very specific structure of the writing profession. As engineers, we don't have these wildly unsteady employment schedules, so the residuals system is not warranted in our profession.

Your experience as an engineer/scientist is valid, but you have to understand how wildly different writing is as a career path, and how compensation packages are different out of necessity.

And no, I do not think that argument "but it is difficult work, it is not constant" works here. There are lots of difficult, non-constant, seasonal, whatever jobs there that pay even less.

Sure, industries like retail, tourism, and food service have similar weaknesses, but those industries are unskilled. Writing is highly skilled labor. WGA members are responsible for writing the most valuable media on the planet, American film and television.

The distinction between writing and these other industries can be measured in dollars.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sure, industries like retail, tourism, and food service have similar weaknesses, but those industries are unskilled.

I understand what you are trying to say, but no they really aren't. They require a very different skill set than being an engineer or a doctor, but I guarantee that you do not have the skills that I do with knives, playing with fire, and making knives. I know this because an engineer doesn't have the time to spend 20 years working as a cook/chef, and 2 as an apprentice blacksmith. That being said, I'm useless if you hand me math above pre-calculus. I can remember algebra and pre-calc, but I don't remember calculus any more.

There's no job that is "easy." In all actuality the lower the pay, the harder the job is to do. There are very few exceptions to this rule.

I took hard jobs because I'm a pyromaniac and so I made that work for me. Cooking and blacksmithing are just playing with fire.

[–] cbarrick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Smithing is definitely skilled labor. It's the classic example of an artisan.

But work in most of the food service industry (front and back) is unskilled. And by "most" I mean things like fast food, cafeterias, diners, chain restaurants etc. In all of these cases, you can hire Joe Shmoe off the street to wait tables.

Fine dining is a special case. Obviously you need significant skill/training to be the chef at a Michelin star restaurant, for example.

And I'm not saying that unskilled labor is easy. It's not. I spent a decade in food service as an unskilled laborer (mostly fast food and cafeterias). It's exhausting and difficult. And I'm not saying that unskilled labor is undeserving of a living wage. What I am saying is that the labor pool for unskilled work is much much larger, so it's near impossible for that kind of worker to demand residuals or equity in the same way as an engineer or screen writer.

They could if they unionized more probably.