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[–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both the democratic and republican party are several smaller parties tied together into two disgusting rat king's. If one of them disappear today there will be an instant split of the surviving party into two new rat kings. The collapse isn't what they fear. They fear that the Overton window would move left.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And even a big move to the left would still leave us leaning right.

[–] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think it’s very clear that the republicans in government are moving far right, but the electorate in general is steadily moving left.

Every year, about 4 million Americans turn 18 and gain the right to vote. In the eight years between the 2016 and 2024 elections, that’s 32 million new eligible voters.

Also every year, 2½ million older Americans die. So in the same eight years, that’s as many as 20 million fewer older voters.

Which means that between Trump’s election in 2016 and the 2024 election, the number of Gen Z (born in the late 1990s and early 2010s) voters will have advanced by a net 52 million against older people. That’s about 20 percent of the total 2020 eligible electorate of 258 million Americans.

And unlike previous generations, Gen Z votes. Comparing the four federal elections since 2015 (when the first members of Gen Z turned 18) with the preceding nine (1998 to 2014), average turnout by young voters (defined here as voters under 30) in the Trump and post-Trump years has been 25 percent higher than that of older generations at the same age before Trump — 8 percent higher in presidential years and a whopping 46 percent higher in midterms.

https://archive.ph/3Ydkn

And according to voter data. Gen z is very progressive especially on policy:

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/The-Exit-Polls.pdf?x91208

In 15-20 years nearly half of all boomers will be dead. The current gop can’t win a single national popular vote. Without half these boomers, they will collapse or move left. And the Overton window will shift considerably left. And with Europe moving right in a lot of counties, I’d say it wouldn’t be surprising to see the US as left as Europe in a shot time.

Also: Europe is not as left leaning as people tend to think. Aside from trains and healthcare they’re not all the left wing. And it is moving right. I’m an Italian citizen and I see it happening in Italy, and many other counties.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Both our parties are pretty far right talking about economics. Republicans are going full authoritarian/fascist. While Democrats grip on social democracy are becoming tenuous.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

This analysis comforts me, but I heard a conflicting anecdote that suggested gen z was starting to lean more right (culturally right). I have no data to back that up, but thinking about that risk makes me not want to be complacent. 2016 still looms large in my head

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or worse, leaning up or down. We might all become textbook examples of anger prisoners.