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The Gadsden flag is often used by white supremacists...
Yes, but it's also associated with libertarian types who used to populate Reddit back in the day before it became mainstream.
I remember the Ron Paul spam back in 2012...
Can normal people who just don't like being tread on not have anything?
As far as I'm aware, the Gadsden flag has it's origins as a warning against the British when the American colonies started to get their shit together and become ungovernable. It seems like it might be a good time to start flying it again just about worldwide.
No, if one man I don't like uses a thing it immediately means you completely agree with everything he's ever said or done, or will in the future.
That's why I hate vegetarians, Hitler was a vegetarian.
They can have whatever they want, but you'll have to forgive people for thinking that you align with people who display the same symbols as you.
I assume anyone flying a swastika is antisemitic, when to be fair, they might just be a fan of the Nazi stance on affordable housing and infrastructure.
If you have a problem with symbols you identify with being co-opted by people you don't, take it up with the people you disagree with who took your symbol, not the people who also disagree with them.
We're taking the Gadsden Flag back. It was never theirs to begin with. US Soccer has been using it for decades, for example.
I don't think it was ever actually co-opted. I think people saw some bearded redneck wear it as a cape in a picture above an article a couple times and then the Internet left decided it was a Nazi symbol.
The Confederate flag has a 100% legitimate argument for being a symbol of hate. The Gadsden Flag is a part of our nation's founding ideal.
Bad example, it's more like Finland's WW1 planes which might surprise some people
That’s a bad example, finlands air regalia was developed by a fascist.
"Can normal people who just don't like being tread on not have anything"
Ask the white supremesists if you can have it back
They're not gonna voluntarily give it back, so why not just take it like they did? Let's say they start flying rainbow flags, should the LGBT community just give up the rainbow flag? I've noticed a trend where the alt-right widely adopts a symbol and the left just kinda... let's them have it. Why? I don't get it. If you don't want them to have a symbol, then don't allow them to become the exclusive users of it.
I've been saying this for years. What happens is they let their leftist friends bully them into not using it for fear of appearing right wing, and the right wing wins it. Honestly if the right ever figures out they have this power it'll be...interesting...
Young people indoctrinated to socially pressure their peers into following a strict moral code. The parallels are so on-the-nose that it's almost funny.
The Moral Majority horseshoe theory is real as fuck.
What exactly do they win? What do left people lose? It's not like the LGBT movement is the rainbow flag. It's just a symbol, and if it weren't there'd be another one. This whole fighting for a thing makes sense only if there weren't infinite equivalent alternatives.
But to be fair it's really hard to co-opt the symbol of a wholly opposed group.
That's basically what happened with the word "libertarian". It originally meant libertarian socialist.
We've been surrendering words to the right for at least a century and it hasn't gone well. Every time the public decides a right wing idea is trash, the right rebrands the idea.
They're coming for "anarchist" next with monarchism rebranded as "anarcho"-capitalism.
Ancaps pretty much only exist in the US so elsewhere libertarian still means the original definition.
Reason for me to emigrate #302
A word cannot be defined as a subset of itself.
We don't get many around these parts. I'm in Australia. I just think it's a kickass flag. A simple message, delivered with limited space.
Australia has their own version of that which has also been co-opted by the right.
Take back the Eureka Stockade flag and you have the equivalent
I don't know if you're aware, but we had our arses handed to us at the Eureka stockade. Anyone who didn't die was hung. You guys eventually won, whereas we were trapped into eternal service to the crown, which we still for some reason don't want to step away from. I wouldn't fly the stockade flag.
That is utterly untrue. Nobody was hung, they were acquitted. And while they certainly lost the shooting part when they ran out of ammo, they won public opinion and legal changes ( unfair/unjust treatment and taxes was the core issue)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_Rebellion
"The fighting left at least 27 dead and many injured, most of the casualties being rebels"
"Open rebellion broke out on November 29, 1854, as a crowd of some 10,000 swore allegiance to the Eureka Flag."
"A group of 13 captured rebels (not including Lalor, who was in hiding) was put on trial for high treason in Melbourne, but mass public support led to their acquittal."
Noting of the 10,000, only a thousand fronted to fight, and half those deserted to go get drunk during the night
"After the oath swearing ceremony, about 1,000 rebels marched in double file from Bakery Hill to the Eureka"
"Lalor was in charge, but large numbers of the men were constantly going out of the Stockade, and as the majority got drunk, they never came back ... The 500 or 600 from Creswick had nothing to eat, and they, too, went down to the Main Road that night ... Lalor seeing that none would be left if things went on, he gave orders to shoot any man who left."
The actually fighting force was a few hundred in the end.
They did reasonably well until they ran out of ammo given they picked a really shit spot
"For at least 10 minutes, the rebels offered stiff resistance, with ranged fire coming from the Eureka Stockade garrison such that Thomas's best formation, the 40th regiment, wavered and had to be rallied. Blake says this is "stark evidence of the effectiveness of the defender's fire."
Once they ran out of ammo they were quickly over run
Who ? Are you calling me a seppo ? I'm an Aussie mate.
So campaign for a republic, Johnny Howard may have managed to kick the can down the road but nobody likes wingnut, support is rising.
Alright. This has changed my entire understanding of that flag. I am now and evermore to be known as "The Fist of Eureka" and I will fly only the flag of the stockade.
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Well I watched the first one. So a TISM knock off band about bogans as opposed to social satire. I've heard worse I guess
We're not asking. We're taking the Gadsden Flag back whether they or anyone else likes it or not. It's our flag, not theirs.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist will bleed.
I recently just read that somewhere
Zebras have hooves, but not all hoofed animals are zebras.