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[–] Gorilladrums@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's like the tankies who say Stalin was a fascist and not a Marxist, they're, like you said, brain dead

[–] lemmington_steele@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

could you remind me which part of Marxism exactly it was Stalin was implementing, other than claiming to be in line with Marxism? a dictatorship of the proletariat perhaps?

[–] Gorilladrums@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Participating in a violent overthrow of capitalism? ✅

Establishing an authoritarian socialist dictatorship that rules with an iron fist? ✅

Seizing land and property by force? ✅

Purging anybody and everybody that didn't fall in line under the guise of being "anti-revolutionary"? ✅

Destroying the environment, cities, culture, and people to bring about the social climate necessary to bring about communism™? ✅

Committing genocides to get rid of "anti-revolutionary" groups? ✅

Pumping propaganda about Marxism? ✅

Ruling as the dictator of the the communist party that supposed to rule on the "behalf" of workers? ✅

He's a Marxist and there's literally nothing you could say to change that.

Many Marxists are damaged enough to actually believe that Marxism isn't authoritarian when it inherently is. Authoritarianism ≠ fascism. Fascism is just one of many ideologies that are authoritarian, Marxism is among these ideologies.

[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Stalin cherry-picked what he wanted from "Marxism" and left behind the things he didn't like. That doesn't make him a Marxist, it makes him a Stalinist, and there's literally nothing you could say to change that.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Stalin was a dictator - which is antithetical to the core principles of communism. You cannot be both a communist and a dictator, they are diametrically opposed.

It's a shame Lenin died right after the establishment of the USSR, he disdained everything Stalin became.

Communism is and isn't authoritarian. The establishment is, and the struggle to prevent regress into capitalism is, but for the people who aren't trying to exploit others, it isn't.

Authoritarianism ≠ fascism

Authoritarianism + ultranationalism = fascism.

Communism isn't anything like fascism. Communism, by definition, rejects nationalism, and considers every proletariat family, regardless of nationality and ethnicity. The only enemy of communism is the bourgeoisie (dictators and fascists foremost)

[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Marx had two things: a critique of industrialist society, and a plan for how to fix said society. His critique was valid, his solutions were questionable. I don't think you'll find many socialists today who consider themselves Marxists.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's where you're wrong, the vast majority of socialists today are Marxists.

Maybe the most vocal but I don't believe that.

[–] Photographer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Any proof of that?

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Here we go again with people confusing socialism and communism...