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What happened to the ethos of the original internet cultures that were so dominant. It's like large swaths of that generation grew up and sold out to become the oppressors. And the other portion are being crushed by that system.
Only a small % of people were on the internet then it grew and grew and the new people flocked to new spaces and didn't like the old internet culture because it was quite elitist and toxic.
You say elitist as if it was a bad thing. As to toxic, 1990s online communities has no comparison with casual baseline hostility everywhere today that is just off the charts. In fact, Lemmy already has enough of it for me to start disliking commenting. This is what almost drove me offline in the last few years.
I'm not sure still care enough to run my own instance and enforce stricter standards. It's all so much work and ultimatively futile.
It sucks you feel afraid to comment, I definitely understand how you feel. Even if someone responds to you in a hostile way I've seen the rest of the community come in for support. And really, report bad actors. Having a good community isn't easy.
This is such a surreal comment I feel like we have two completely different experiences. I found the old internet to be full of flame wars and hostility, which at the time I had no issue with and definitely participated. Today's internet is overly an nice hugbox. The stuff I used to say in 2002 would probably land me in jail today.
The technical communities were different. Yes, we had flamewars but these were largely rituals. That things we used to say would now land you in jail is a testament to how oppressive our socities have become. It's definitely a contributing factor to the trend of capable people disengaging.
I wasn't in the technical communities only gaming. I agree that it's a testament to how oppressive society is but I also think things were taken way to far back then.
Thread closed. Dont insult the community.
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I think the end of net neutrality hastened there older internet's demise. now corps are free to monetize as much as they like.
Yup. When net neutrality died it let a few corporate overlords rise up and kill off much of the old free web. What much of us grew up on was a much fewer, wilder web. One you could still dream on and where you could still think damned near any new thing could come from anyone. Now, you pretty much have to already have $.
Wait, what do you mean Net Neutrality died? I thought they lost signing the bill to end it?
When was the last time you accessed a http website (not https)? Basically any schmuck in his basement could cobble one up. Nowadays you have to rent a server from some cloud service which goes against the whole net neutrality concept.
People just stopped bothering when their browser screams at them for accessing an unsafe website. That's where net neutrality died IMO.
Wait, I don't get this. Https certs are trivial to acquire and keep up-to-date with Let's Encrypt. You can deploy a server like Caddy that will handle most of it for you. I'm a schmuck whose own website is self-hosted and I put an nginx rule to redirect http to https, because I don't think anyone along the path between your computer and my website deserves to eavesdrop on the conversation.
The path of least resistance isn't self-hosting anymore. No matter how easy it is, a twitter/facebook/youtube account will give you much more credibility and reach for a smaller cost and less setup time. I suppose I didn't include that in the original message because I didn't want to treat self-hosted websites and user accounts on large websites as similar, but it seems like they fulfill the same purpose nowadays.
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