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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LOL. Maintaining peace? Like the East Turkistan project of training terrorists? Like collective punishment through sanctions? Like organizing coups, funding violent right-wing movements, assassinating political leaders? These are literally things the US has done in just the last 5 years.

The North Atlantians are literally global belligerents. They have been for 500 years, non stop. They have killed hundreds of millions of people to fuel and maintain their expansion and dominance.

The world needs to contain the North Atlantic and stop their reign of terror. Not the other way around.

[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not arguing against that. But guaranteeing the freedom of Taiwan is a good thing. And for that to be effective/credible you must have a military presence. Very little is black and white.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, guaranteeing the freedom of Taiwan is not a good thing. You clearly have no idea of the history and politics at work.

Imagine the Confederacy, supported by France and England, managed to flee to Galveston Island off the coast of Texas. Imagine there were still Native American tribes there. Imagine the Confederates, mostly of Scottish, English, and French origin, killed most of the native people living on the island and set about building a Confederate society there that they could use to eventually attack the Union again. Imagine the Union wants to go after and get final surrender from the Confederacy, but the English and the French being their war boats in to intervene, negotiate with the Confederacy, arm them, offer them protection, and then spend decades building them up as a legitimate alternative to the Union, building their economy, arming and training them, and propagandizing them and the whole world.

That's Taiwan. Will get incorporated into mainland China. It has to. It's a security threat otherwise, because it's only reason for existence as a separate entity is literally for war. And the existential belligerent enemies of China are using Taiwan to advance their belligerence. Worse, the belligerent North Atlantians are willing to send every person on Taiwan into a meat grinder if it means weakening China and advancing North Atlantic goals.

Your position is built entirely on propaganda, false beliefs, and ignorance.

[–] ATQ@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a lot of words and still you completely botch the analogy. Instead, you might suppose that the Confederacy had prevailed in their rebellion and that the democratically elected President Lincoln and the remaining Northern army had fled.

In reality, the government of Taiwan is the real “China”. Mainland Taiwan is populated by angry traitors.

Your position is built entirely on propaganda, false beliefs, and ignorance.

😂🤣😂 Classic. I’d link you to the Wikipedia article for your own education, but I’m sure that’s blocked for you.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Holy shit you're full of propaganda. Dude, I am a white settler colonist born and raised in America. Read some fucking Chinese history. The Kuomintang lost the civil war. It doesn't matter who you agree with or who you think the traitors are. The civil war was fought and won. And if you want to figure out "who the baddies were" just look at who the Europeans supported. Because the Europeans clearly demonstrated over 200 years that their interests are diametrically opposed to the Chinese people.

Who did the Europeans support?

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

In reality, the government of Taiwan is the real “China”. Mainland Taiwan is populated by angry traitors.

On what basis are you claiming this?