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Italy investigates Placebo singer for calling far-right PM ‘racist’ and ‘fascist’
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While I seriously wonder what exactly they mean by "far-right", that law shouldn't exist
Fascist admirers of Mussolini would usually qualify as far right:
Who is Giorgia Meloni? The rise to power of Italy's new far-right PM
Thank you. People seriously need to stop acting like words don't have meaning and it's impossible for actual fascists to actually exist.
"But whatabout teh mom & pop shops!" was from day 1 a deliberate talking point that existed to delegitimize the very legitimate protests. Do you really think none of the Tea Party contemporaries said the exact same thing about them? "Whatabout those poor sailors who carried that tea who are losing their payday and had nothing to do with the Stamp Act? Whatabout the poor local community merchants who will lose out on all those tea sales now? The Stamp Act is not their fault." Do you really think none of the loyalists were saying that?
We need to face the fact that we have a class of American citizens who continue to suffer under an oppressive police state. Their protests are valid
Oh, going by the actual definition of fascism and calling fans of Mussolini fascist? How very fascist of you!
It's possible they're getting hung up on the fact that you are using the western, dumbed down Fisher-Price version of the political spectrum where both sides are capitalism.
The actual political plot is a two-dimensional thing. Where left and right is defined by capitalism and socialism only. With a separate axis completely for social issues. Meaning that neo-libertarians, capitalists that favor social democracy, and authoritarians/fascist can all be equally far right. Likewise Authoritarian Leninists, social democracy favoring socialist/communist, true libertarian, and anarchist can all be equally far left. Despite all of them differing wildly on social issues.
Though I definitely could be wrong and they could just be apologizing for fascist. Sometimes it's hard to tell.
Nothing is binary. Well outside of binary of course. Sometimes we can loosely quantize stuff in a useful manner with it but that doesn't make things binary. Human gender and sex is not binary for example.
Being authoritarian does not negate socialism or capitalism. If authoritarian states like China can be socialist. Authoritarian states like the KSA and USA can be capitalist. This is not a hard concept.
Now it would be accurate to qualify that they are authoritarian first and economic system second. When it comes to authoritarian rule priorities are their wealth and power. Everyone and everything else comes second. They can straddle left and right easily. But that does not negate or abolish concepts of capitalism or socialism.
Because it's laughably wrong and misguided. By that definition no center can exist. Which is obviously and observably patently wrong in every sense.
Also left is not defined as communism. Left is defined as socialism. Communism especially big C communism or ML is an authoritarian socialist ideology. There are also non authoritarian socialist ideologies. Including other forms of non-state communism. I understand your misconceptions. Believe me as an American and someone raised in the west myself. We are all purposely miseducated on them. But no matter how comfortable it is. It is still incorrect and misinformation.
For example let's refer to a few of the ideologies that I mentioned before liberalism, Democratic socialist, and social Democrats. Democratic socialist exist and are pretty centrist. By your definition they do not exist. Yet they do exist. Social Democrats are to the left of Democratic socialists. But they are generally against ML communists. Which by your definition makes them not left. But social Democrats are also generally against capitalism. This does not make them fit under your left or right spectrum. This simply marks a gap in your understanding. And nothing more. Because they are solidly socialist. I hope this can help clear up the confusion for you.
I'm literally not using a binary. I don't know how many different times and how many different ways I have to state this. I literally said it's not a binary. You are the one using the binary. You are the one that's claiming centers cannot exist. When in truth the center is the only thing we really know absolutely exists. It's the extents and the fringes that we are not 100% sure about. And just because something is center or centrist does not necessarily mean that it's good. Nothing about what I'm saying isn't eurocentric. It's just not US centric.
From your article, "Yes to the natural family, no to the LGBT lobby, yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology... no to Islamist violence, yes to secure borders, no to mass migration... no to big international finance... no to the bureaucrats of Brussels!"
So Western European far right,so centrist or even left wing everywhere else.
It also seems shes distanced herself from fascists.
Seems she just wants closed borders? Am i missing something? Theres a couple articles that claim stuff, but with zero quotes to back it up.
Anti LGBT, white supremacist, antisemitic. She also openly praised Mussolini when she was young and her party used fascist imagery. But when she had a vote of no confidence against her she said she's not a fascist so it's all good!
I think my biggest problem is I don't speak Italian, and google is not being helpful.