mathemachristian

Gonna copy large chunks of my last comment because no ones there to stop me.

This isn't a debate like how should we reduce plastic accumulation or the carcinogenic properties of red meat. Not supporting slavery and murder should be the norm, not something that needs to be argued for at length. Being vegan is not doing something good, but not being vegan is doing something evil. This is our position. If someone can't accept that what their doing is evil but needs to be asked nicely not to kill the screaming orphan who never got to meet his mom because we wanted to steal her milk then they won't accept that it is an actual real evil that is taking place. It will remain a theoretical. But there really is a room where these orphans are brought to be murdered. A person murdering them. And a mother who screamed bitterly over losing their newborn. It is a real evil and being polite about it masks the horror taking place not to mention is completely insincere since we aren't interested in debating or in weighing pros and cons. It's a horrific injustice and we will talk about it as such. There is an evil inherent to not being vegan. Fuck the non-vegans.

Im saying if someone stops being vegan because of what people say they dont actually hold the moral conviction that torture, rape and murder of any animal is wrong. I'm not crying about others leavinge "the cause" Im angry at the smugness and how readily people will accept any excuse in order to keep the literal orphan crushing machine going.

Hey maybe if you people would be NICER to me I would entertain the thought that I was in the wrong

There's nothing to listen to, either you believe animal ag is horrendous and unethical and act on it or you don't. That's it. No pretty pleases are going to convince someone they have to give up their beloved steak and cheese for nothing in return.

good talk nice representation, really convinced me to be nicer to corpsemunchers going forward.

If you need people to be nice to you to convince you, you care more about appearances than the argument. If people being rude stops you from acting on something you actually believe in you won't last a month as a vegan.

Going vegan means changing your habits, giving up a lot of your treats with nothing in return. You will be the weird one at christmas that needs "special" catering, people have to choose restaurants based on your habits and you will be the butt of a lot of jokes simply because you care about animals not being enslaved. If you need people to be nice to you, and applaud you and make you feel all warm and fuzzy to keep that going you won't last.

The first lesson every vegan needs to learn is: there are no rewards and no one will compliment you. You are doing this out of your own conviction and not for anyone else.

The rhetorically impressive and easily debunked argument:

A) Slavery of sentient beings is wrong
B) Animals are sentient
∴ Enslaving animals is wrong

and yet that seems to be the stated reason...