jdp23

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The last major holdouts in the protest against Reddit’s API pricing relented, abandoning the so-called “John Oliver rules” which only allowed posts featuring the TV host. The article describes it as "the official end of the battle," which seems an overstatement to me, but it's the certainly the end of the initial phase.

Did Reddit win? Time will tell!

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks the thing, when internet folks get riled up we can have a serious impact. Redditors have always been great at this -- Restore the Fourth, the SOPA/PIPA protests in 2011 -- and Lemmy and kbin can be a great vehicle.

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They certainly fucked up, but it might well be OpenAI's post too.

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Two reasons the ongoing Reddit protests are important:

  1. the protests keep the pressure on reddit and can lead to ongoing news coverage (which also keeps the pressure on reddit) . Otherwise, reddit will be able to spin the narrative "see? we told you it would just blow over and it did"

  2. kbin, Lemmy, and other alternatives aren't yet at the point where they're ready for millions of redditors. For example, the modCoord post makes the important point that a lot of reddit's moderation functionality isn't accessible ... but almost none of this functionality even exists yet on kbin and Lemmy. So most people aren't going to leave yet.

Don't get me wrong, leaving now is also a good option if you can find what you want elsewhere! But not everybody's there yet.

#reddit #kbin #lemmy

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

@MyOpinion Totally agree, there's some discussion at the end of the article on the need to improve moderation tools. Specifically for kbin and lemmy, I also talked about this in the Invest in moderation tools section of Don't tell people "it's easy"

@fediverse @fediverse @thenexusofprivacy

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

A valid concern -- and a good point on the nested list item!

 

I had shared an earlier version of this last week, and a draft of the updates a few days ago. Thanks to everybody for the feedback!

Here's the key points:

  1. Don't tell people "it's easy"
  2. Improve the "getting-started experience"
  3. Keep scalability and sustainability in mind
  4. Prioritize accessibility
  5. Get ready for trolls, hate speech, harassment, spam, porn, and disinformation
  6. Invest in moderation tools
  7. Experiment to find what approaches are a good fit for the current state of the software
  8. Values matter
  • This is a great opportunity – and it won't be the last great opportunity
[–] jdp23@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I know, it's amazing Ernest is getting any sleep at all!

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Agreed, great idea. Maybe a code bounty for this?

Ernest says he's definitely interested in accessbility -- he replied when I originally posted "Don't tell people "it's easy", and six more things Kbin, Lemmy, and the fediverse can learn from Mastodon", which has a section on accessibility. But there are a heck of a lot of other priorities so boosting this would be very helpful.

Here's a post from @weirdwriter noting that kbin's fairly good for accessibility. but I know there are some problems -- here's a bug I filed last week.

 

Draft! Work in Progress! Feedback welcome!

Tens of thousands of people have signed up for KBin and Lemmy accounts since I first published “Don’t tell people “it’s easy”,” hundreds of new instances have been created, and “the threadiverse” is suddenly a hot topic of conversation… Of course, it hasn’t all gone smoothly, but the opportunity isn’t going away.

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes they do! I clicked on the #mosstadon hashtag and it took me to https://kbin.social/tag/mosstadon just as one would hope!

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I know it's on their list, not sure where it'll get prioritized. I shared a link to kbinMeta with beehaw.org's list of needed moderation functionality, which applies to kbin as well, but so far the only comment is "jesus christ, here we go again with all this blocking bullshit". 🤣

https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/37130/Beehaw-s-mod-tool-needs-Useful-for-KBin-as-well-Discuss

 

“The blackouts are not representative of the greater Reddit community.” Or so he says. Also:

Q: So you’re saying that Apollo, RIF, Sync, they don’t add value to Reddit?

A: Not as much as they take. No way.

 

The fediverse has always grown in waves and we're at the start of one. It's worth looking at what tactics worked well in the past, to use them again or adapt them and build on them. It's also valuable to look at what went wrong or didn't work out as well in the past, to see if there are ways to do better.

Here's the current table of contents:

  • I'm flashing!!!!!
  • But first, some background
  1. Don't tell people "it's easy"
  2. Improve the "getting-started experience"
  3. Keep scalability and sustainability in mind
  4. Prioritize accessibility
  5. Get ready for trolls, hate speech, harassment, spam, porn, and disinformation
  6. Invest in moderation tools
  7. Values matter
  • This is a great opportunity – and it won't be the last great opportunity

https://privacy.thenexus.today/kbin-lemmy-fediverse-learnings-from-mastodon/

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