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[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Feels like we’re approaching the point where rules about minutes played per week/month/year might need to be regulated.

It's complicated to legislate for, though. It's not just about limiting time played as a blanket policy across leagues. Context is important. Have a listen to this podcast with performance manager I posted a link to a few days back:

https://lemmy.world/post/8310123

Specifically the part starting at 33:15. It's not a straightforward problem to solve, sadly.

 
  • Injury crisis: The Premier League has seen a record number of injuries this season, with 196 in just over three months. Newcastle and Manchester United are the worst-hit teams with 14 players injured each this season.
  • World Cup effect: The 2022 winter World Cup in Qatar may have contributed to the increase in injuries, as players had to play more games in a shorter time before and after the tournament. The average length and severity of injuries also rose after the World Cup.
  • Hamstring injuries: Hamstring injuries have seen a 96% increase this season, with 53 incidents. This may be related to the longer added time and the higher tempo of the Premier League games.
  • Cost of injuries: Injuries have a significant financial impact on clubs, as they have to pay wages to unavailable players. The cost of injuries across the Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 was £617.8m in 2022-23, a 27.3% increase from the previous season.
  • Festive period: The upcoming festive period will see more games in a short span of time, which may lead to more injuries. The Premier League says no club plays within 60 hours of another match, but some experts suggest 72 hours is the optimal recovery time.
 

cross-posted from: https://mastodon.online/users/hallenbeck/statuses/111438924092907782

The Biggest Danger To English Football, Salary Caps & How Much Money Do Football Clubs Lose? - The Rest Is Football

REALLY interesting episode with Crystal Palace co-owner and chairman Steve Parish.

https://pca.st/episode/5b0d8ca8-0013-41cf-b158-0451672b0190

What is the biggest threat to the growth, or even survival, of domestic football? Would salary caps help level the playing field? Is it ok for football clubs to continually lose money?

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The City and Chelsea cases are much bigger, so it's understandable that it will take longer. But it nothing comes of it, what message will that send?

https://nitter.cz/TheAthleticFC/status/1725906962292838539

 

Summary

  • Everton verdict: The Premier League has docked Everton 10 points for breaching its profit and sustainability rules. Everton is the first club to be punished for breaking financial fair play rules.
  • City and Chelsea cases: Manchester City and Chelsea are also under investigation by the Premier League for alleged financial wrongdoing. They face more severe charges and potential sanctions, including relegation.
  • Premier League's stance: The Premier League is keen to enforce its rules and regulations and deter clubs from circumventing them. It also wants to retain some of its regulatory powers amid the prospect of an independent regulator.
  • Everton's appeal: Everton has said it will appeal against the verdict and the finding that it failed to act with the utmost good faith. However, experts believe it is unlikely to succeed.
  • Other clubs' claims: Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton have 28 days to inform the commission if they want compensation from Everton. They are not allowed to take separate legal action through the courts.
[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does this mean we all get to sue City and Chelsea too?

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
 

cross-posted from: https://mastodon.online/users/hallenbeck/statuses/111416599829567870

Tifo Football Podcast: Is too much football causing injuries?

If you only listen to one thing this international break, make it this. A fascinating and absorbing deep dive into the many aspects and problems associated with player fitness.

It's much more complicated than a binary fit/not-fit decision.

https://pca.st/aw90kigz

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

We Spurs fans had three defensive coaches in succession (Mourinho, Nuno, Conte) and those seasons were pure misery and without any progress, despite at least two of those coaches being proven "serial winners". There's a reason why top clubs in the Premier League aren't defensive – fans and the media hate it and it doesn't suit the league. The clubs at the bottom of the league tend to adopt more defensive low-blocks and mid-blocks out of necessity. Some clubs like Brentford and Wolves have had some success and are dubbed "giant killers" for adopting a low-block and counter-attacking style. But they're not top-4 contenders.

West Ham were steered to victory in the Europa Conference league by David Moyes and he is a notably defensive, pragmatic coach.

Also, in the 22/23 Champions league, 3 of the 4 Premier League clubs in the competition have lower GA/90 (goals against per 90) stats than Atletico:

  • Atletico: 1.50
  • Liverpool: 1.50
  • Chelsea: 0.90
  • Tottenham: 0.88
  • Manchester City: 0.38

The eventual winners of the Champions League last year was of course City, with a total number of goals conceded of just 5 in a total of 1170 minutes of play. Atletico conceded 9 in only 540 minutes.

I don't think Simeone knows what he's talking about.

 
  • Leaked files reveal Chelsea FC received a series of secret payments worth tens of millions of pounds over 10 years from former owner Roman Abramovich. These may have breached football financial rules.

  • The payments appear to be connected to player transfers and contracts for Eden Hazard, Willian, Samuel Eto'o, and manager Antonio Conte among others.

  • The payments were routed through offshore companies and some may not have been properly declared to football authorities. This could violate financial fair play rules and regulations on accurate financial reporting.

  • Experts say the Premier League could punish Chelsea with point deductions if rules were broken to gain an unfair advantage. The league, FA, and UEFA are investigating.

  • There are also revelations around Abramovich secretly funding efforts to challenge financial fair play rules in court. And suspicious payments to the owner of Anzhi Makhachkala before Chelsea bought Willian and Eto'o from that club.

  • Chelsea says the allegations pre-date the current ownership, which has voluntarily reported "incomplete financial information" from the Abramovich era to authorities. The club says it is assisting investigations.

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Same for me but using Geddit. Also finally exploring Mastodon for a replacement for match threads.

Both are part of the fediverse so not mutually exclusive.

You can start a match thread on Mastodon and mention the handle of this community in the post (@football@lemmy.world) and it'll not only start a thread on Mastodon, but also here. Comments added on Masto will appear in the thread here and vice versa. Likes on Masto will appear as upvotes here and upvotes here appear as likes on Masto. It's quite cool. You can tell when a post originated from Mastodon because it has that little rainbow fediverse icon on it.

If you follow a Lemmy community on Masto, the posts will appear as boosts in your timeline.

Here's a thread I started on Masto but is also on the !coys@lemmy.world community:

https://lemmy.world/post/8197032

All the comments were added from Mastodon, not Lemmy.

This is a thread I posted here directly from Mastodon:

https://lemmy.world/post/7968059

More details on how all this works here: https://vijayprema.com/using-lemmy-from-my-existing-mastodon/

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, experience from moderating over at !coys@lemmy.world is that you've just got to keep posting and posting and posting and gradually, very slowly, the numbers creep up. Same on Mastodon on the #MastodonFC and #COYS tags (can't speak for other clubs). You've got to give people a reason to come back.

Personally, I'm not sure the individual posts containing a single goal from a specific match is helping much. Makes the community seem very noisy. IMO would be better to have one thread per match with goals posted as comments. But I'm not mod here and others may feel differently, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

FWIW, I don't see the community as dead. I post a few things here and there's often a good number of votes and some good discussion. Seems far from dead to me.

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They’ll need to come up with some strategies for keeping warm while waiting an indeterminate amount of time while waiting for VAR.

In American Football they use stationary bikes to keep warm.

https://bikehike.org/why-do-nfl-players-use-stationary-bike/

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, he did say, "I was half-tempted to throw some balls out there for them to kick around". It's right there in the quote I posted.

They'll need to come up with some strategies for keeping warm while waiting an indeterminate amount of time while waiting for VAR.

So not bullshit at all then.

 

Postecoglou: "Absolutely. I am not going to draw a direct correlation to Micky's injury but I was half-tempted to throw some balls out there for them to kick around. It's the reason we have warm-ups but if you're going into a game, the fact there was only 47 minutes of game time the other night in whatever it was, 110, that is not ideal for the type of athletes we have out there"

That's the disgrace right there. All this waiting around is likely harming the players.

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Is the argument trash, though?

 

He makes a lot of sense. Unless managers (and fans) proactively act together, and have a calm and ongoing dialogue nothing will improve. Instead, managers rant and rave post-match in a knee-jerk way and only when it goes against them. Get together and deal with it like adults. Less of the drama.

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, the big league with their multiple camera angles led to so much scrutiny after the games, VAR felt somewhat inevitable. I'd like to see it radically scaled back. Goal line technology is fine. But get rid of the ridiculous offside checks and the debatable handballs and let the game flow. There's an argument emerging too that all the standing around waiting for decisions can lead to injuries as muscles cool and stiffen.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/7914713

BBC Chief football writer Phil McNulty pieces through the carnage.

Interested to know what the neutral's view of this match was, especially Ange's comments after the game.

“It’s who we are, mate. Even with five men, we’ll have a go.”

https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/every-word-ange-postecoglou-said-28057867

Have you been involved in as crazy a game as that before?

No, but I think it's going to become the norm. It's where the game's heading. Unfortunately it's how we're going to have to watch and participate in football from now on because... look I've said it before, I don't like it. I don't like the standing around. I don't like the whole theatre around waiting for decisions.

But I know that I'm in the wilderness with that. I'm on my own. In my 26 years I was always prepared to accept the referee's decisions, good, bad or otherwise, and I've had some shockers in my career let me tell you. I've had some go my way as well but I cop that because I just want the game to be played.

When we're complaining about decisions every week this is what's going to happen. If people are going to forensically scrutinise everything to make sure that they're comfortable that it's right and even at the end of that we're still not happy. So what does that mean? It means that we're going to see a lot of standing around.

I just think it's just diminishing the authority of the referee. You can't tell me that referees are in control of the game because they're not. The control is outside of that but that's the way the game is going so you have to accept that and just try to deal with it.

When you say you're in the wilderness, the fans seem to dislike it so is it other managers or club execs?

I don't know but it seems like there isn't a great call for us to go back to accepting the referee's decisions for the majority of it. I understand goalline technology because that's a simple one. That came in and no one's complained about it.

But in searching for this utopia of no wrong decisions in a game, that doesn't exist. It never will but that's the road everyone wants to go down.

It's self-inflicted because we all complain about decisions every week. That's not new. We've been complaining about decisions...I've been doing this for 26 years and I've heard managers, me included, complaining about decisions in the past, but we've got on with it. We didn't feel the need to find some miracle cure for it.

I don't think that that's a viable option because we've opened that door, allowed the technology. Now we want transparency. I guarantee the next thing is we'll have referees mic'ed up and explaining decisions.

There's plenty of other sports where you can watch referees do that. I don't think it's better for football, but like I said I think I'm in the wilderness with that one.

Do you think that the Premier League managers should get together through the LMA to teach the referees how to referee a game?

See that's the problem. That's the problem. Premier League managers should just manage their football clubs. I've never and I never will talk to a referee about the rules of the game.

I was taught that you grow up and you respect the officials. You know what managers do? I tell you what managers do. We, me included, try to find ways to bend the rules and get around them. Tell me what the rule is and I guarantee you'll have a room full of managers processing 'how can I get around this?'.

They're not the right people. We're not the right people and I get that people keep saying that. I don't agree with that. What I want is the best officials always being upskilled to officiate the game.

I think that it's so hard for a referee to officiate the game nowadays. Their authority is constantly getting diminished. I grew up afraid of referees. They'd be like policemen. Nowadays I guess we talk back to policemen as well.

I'm old school mate. I'm from a bygone era and I just like the purity of the game but that's not what's going on.

Part of this is my problem. I've got to embrace it and find a way to work with it but it goes against everything I want to work with my team on. I want my team to play fast, attacking, high tempo go at it football.

If we get a red card, a penalty against us, so what. Let's cop it, let's go again. But we have to stand around for two minutes trying to figure out if something is offside or not. Let the linesman make the decision. Remember it used to be the benefit of the doubt to the striker. Remember that? We all lived with it. The game didn't collapse, but like I said I'm an old man shouting at the clouds mate. I'll cop it for that but that's who I am.

[–] hallenbeck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most? According to what survey? I don't know of a single person that thought it was, overall, a good WC. I'd wager most people would put it down as one of the least memorable in living history. It was dreadful, and players came back to the Premier League knackered and injured. Worst WC ever.

 

cross-posted from: https://mastodon.online/users/hallenbeck/statuses/111293316231491706

I've made an updated graphic based on feedback. Thanks to @nooeh@lemmy.world for the critique. Updated graphic here:

https://thelastboyscout.uk/assets/img/son_xg_stats.webp

Is Son one of the best finishers EVER? Let's look at some data. 👇

We use actual goals minus expected goals (xG) as a proxy for finishing skill. Players who consistently score more than their xG means they are scoring goals other players would miss. Generally, only the most elite goalscorers *consistently* outperform their xG.

And I can find no player who consistently beats Son. It's astonishing.

Can you find anyone better at elite level?

#COYS #THFC #PremierLeague #MastodonFC****

 
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