So what would have happened if the Arab nations had won? Do you not see the irony here? The Jews paid for the land legally before declaring their independence. This is fact I can back it up with evidence. Muslim rulers were scared of the possibility of a majority Jewish nation because of how horrible Jews were treated under muslim rule. I can provide a list of all the massacres and pogroms committed against Jews in muslim countries throughout history. The list is staggering. Jews were classified as dhimmi under muslim rule and had to pay an extortion tax as well as being barred from using several of their own holy sites. You can’t attempt an ethnic cleansing on a people and then when it fails cry “ethnic cleansing!” when they return the same behavior they’ve been dealing with for 1000s of years.
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If you declare war and lose, you can’t just go “lol oopsie we didn’t really mean it” and expect nothing to happen. When has the loser in any war not experienced repercussions?
Where in my comment did I say that lol
Ya got the date wrong. Nakba happened in 1948 when multiple Arabic nations declared war on Israel after they announced their independence.
I don’t have anything to add to this conversation but I just want to say you’ve done a great job at reporting news while remaining civil DarkGamer. I’ve never seen you get heated or take an all or nothing stance on an issue and honestly it’s so refreshing to see. You’re proof that people can debate things without resorting to shit slinging and name calling. Keep up the good work 👍
I reject modern political labels but would say I lean slightly right. Over the years I’ve wrote to many of our politicians but Mr. Durbin is the only one who actually gave me the time of day, and for that he has my respect.
I don’t see that when reading the writings of most pioneering Zionists. Not saying there went some that thought like that, but the vast majority I’ve encountered while researching Zionism share roughly the same reasoning: tired of being hunted and having nowhere to run. Think about it, persecuted Christians have all of Europe and America to flee to, Muslims have all of the Middle East and parts of Africa to flee to, the Jews had nowhere to flee to. Frankly, being part of a group that is consistently hunted time and time again throughout history, being called parasites because they have no homeland, will do a number on one’s psychology. I’d wager that the vast majority of Zionists were not in fact fascists, but deeply scared people who saw safety in having a place to call their own.
That’s a LOT of scheming for a piece of land the size of New Jersey. Even smaller had they agreed to the UN proposal and unified with Transjordan and let the Zionists deal with cultivating the negev desert.
I am quite familiar with the haavara agreement. It was an agreement that allowed Germany to rid itself of its “problem” and allowed Jews to flee to already established Jewish settlements in Palestine. That has absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust. They wanted OUT of Germany. Not herded into a gas chamber…
There’s also this guy https://i.imgur.com/puycOKG.jpg who gave the Nazis widespread support throughout Palestine and even personally assisted in recruiting Muslims to the SS. There’s also this book https://imgur.io/gh1T0AV?r written by the leader of the PLO where he argues zionists wanted an extermination of their own people to make the world feel sorry for them.
Here’s another, the Hebron massacre in 1929 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
Jew hate for the sake of Jew hate is very well documented in this area. Their own actions and words speak for themselves.
Okay, here are two more links detailing their persecution in the Middle East.
https://i.imgur.com/Tc0zvjq.jpg
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-01-24/ty-article-magazine/like-father-like-son-the-ottoman-governor-who-tortured-the-jews-of-jerusalem/0000017f-f7cc-d044-adff-f7fd35c00000
It takes like 10 minutes of googling to see Zionism is an umbrella term for multiple different schools of thoughts. People are turning it into some slur when at its core it’s the belief that Jews have a right to a state. Keep in mind that Jews are both a race and a religion.