Dontcare

Hey I appreciate you took the time to respond and at least make arguments, you have more intellect than 99% of the site which isn't saying much

But you have far to go, if you want to increase your intellect you have to accept facts and truth even if it challenges what you have as an established belief. That is why you have a hard time to debate me, because I have heard the arguments and adjusted my views many times.

You should ask yourself why you are such an expert on the israeli-pal conflict and probably don't know as much as the complex histories of Lebanon, syria, Iraq... All the sectarian violence, expulsions, terrorism, oppression etc... what happened in Lebanon when they tried a joint Muslim christian nation. Or the entire continent of Africa, you'll find that the pals are really not the greatest tragedy of humanity and yet it is all the UN seems to be concerned about, all the slogan yelling mob cares about.

No.

First of all Egypt has fought many wars against Israel.... It is after Israel defeated them that they were willing to accept peace deals.

And what you fail to grasp is it is the arabs who started a war, tried to destroy Israel and kill Jews, and since they are dangerous were forced to leave and since they openly say they wish to destroy Israel are not allowed to return. Should Israel let them return to destroy Israel ?

You don't seem able to accept the fact that from the outset Jews were willing to live in peace with arbas and the Muslims were not. No matter how far back you go- you can go back to 1948, you can go back the ottoman and Egyptian caliphates which had discriminatory laws against Jews. You can go back to ancient history and look at the fundamental aspects of the religion. Islam is a fascist religion, it says to conquer the entire world in the name of islam. That just like in Iran and Gaza that they kill gays, they kill a woman who doesn't cover her head, that a small group fundamentalists control the entire economy and use every resource for terrorism, so to should it be in the rest of the world. The modem state of Israel is not government by religious Judaism and if it was, Judaism does not say the entire world needs to be Jewish.

Islam is fascist, that's why there is this conflict along with all the other conflicts they have with many nations, with the west, with India etc... With themselves with shia and sunni...

They were expelled because they started a war, Israel accepted the partition whereas pals did not. Israel was explicit they did not want to displace anyone. Many arabs live in Israel to this day. If there was no war there would have been no expulsion.

Pals have been offered states numerous times and even offered right of return for some refugees with compensation to the rest.

And even though you did not answer my question I will answer yours- no I do not think the arabs who were forced out in a war and who have been fighting a war since then should be allowed back en masse when they openly say they wish to destroy Israel. And if you want to re visit past injustices to say there are some arabs who should return, have land given back, then you also need to consider the Jews which were kicked out of the west bank like from Hebron and the Jews which were kicked out of Arab countries and of course the Jews which were kicked out of Europe. If you launch a war, lose , you can't ask for a do ever where you get everything back and keep everything you took, it is ridiculous. At the outset the Jews were willing to accept a tiny state, that they were fleeing from the Holocaust, that Jews were living in refugee camps until 1948 when Israel was established. That Jews are the natives of the land, were making it prosperous, are integral to the history, and the arabs sided with the Nazis in WW2. They are truly disgusting, is it really so horrible to live around Jews , in their native land. You think the fact the pals had to move 50 miles down the road is some horrible injustice ?

From the start of the conflict and throughout the modern era Israel has always been willing to live in peace with the pals despite their belligerence making numerous offers. Jews never asked for welfare like the Muslim immigrants coming to Europe, they developed the land and caused many arabs to come. It is the pals who have belligerent, following fundamentalist islam saying there can be no Jewish state, everywhere has to be a Muslim state.

Yeah right,.

Simple question, do you think Jewish people should be free to live in the land to which they are native?

The partition was voted on in 1948.

No pals were displaced before the war. The area in the south of israel- the negev- is a desert where very few people lived and no one lived at the time.

There have always been Jews in Palestine, your assumption is that vacant, uninhabited, never developed land is somehow reserved for arabs when Jews are the native people of the land.

The Jewish position is that there be some land for Jews in israel- the land to which they are native- and the Muslim position is that there be none, not 1 inch, that it is all a Muslim state like all the other Muslim states which have had discriminatory laws against Jews for centuries.

All the further partitions are in the context of Arab wars against Israel, until 1967 Jordan controlled the west bank, Egypt Gaza, yet they did not make a Palestinian state... They launched wars against Israel in 1956, 67, 73...

Yes inside israel arabs live freely and don't want to leave are be a part of Palestine, pals have been offered states on the WB etc... Numerous times and have always rejected.

You should learn history .

You can look up the 1948 partition plan for starters, which Israel accepted and arabs went to war over. Israel 'violently seized' the land by defending themselves.

Under the British mandate, the Ottoman empire there were caps and restrictions on how many Jews could live in Palestine while there were none on Muslims. In every Muslim country there were discriminatory laws against Jews.

The Jewish was position was that there is some state to which Jews are free to immigrate, ie the Jews fleeing Europe. There have always been Jews in Palestine, Jews are the natives, but not a state for 2000 years.

In the Jewish state arabs live freely and it was always the position of Jews that arabs can live freely in Israel and that there can be a Palestinian state (in addition to Jordan which was a part of Palestine)

The Arab position- based on islam- is there can be no Jewish state at all. They are fascist, they think the whole world should be Islamic. They launch terror attacks all over the world against non muslims- in India, armenia, Europe, the USA, Africa....

You are just repeating slogans.

Don't you realize this is where they put the tunnels ? And this 'refugee camp' is a city

He's right, it's not like they are living in tents

Why doesn't Egypt let in the gazans ?

It's fascinating. Every war has collateral damage and Hamas deliberately hides behind civilians- a war crime- and Israel gives them opportunity to leave

And hamas deliberately targets civilians and you say nothing

Hamas openly calls for genocide

So you don't think there should be any Jewish state when they're are dozens of Muslim states and are against Israelis defending themselves. You are a fascist