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[–] Thedogspaw@midwest.social 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe releasing exclusively on the Playstation but not pc or Xbox wasn't the brilliant idea they thought it was 🤔

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are Japanese they don’t care about Xbox and PC. Also didn’t Sony gave them money for development?

[–] avater@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

then why are they whining ?

[–] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Shareholders being shareholders

[–] riesendulli@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PC Port always come late because Japanese studios can’t be bothered to support m&k and pc features. Even a year of porting will result in shitty ports that will need months of additional patching.

Other than that one can buy exclusivity.

Being expensive to produce means there needs to be more units sold. Just because there’s 40 million possible customers, doesn’t mean those have the funds or interest in the game.

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which Squeenix game has ever met their expectations? Weren’t they also super disappointed with Tomb Raider and Hitman even though they moved millions of units.

It seems that SE is severely out of touch with the current state of the industry and where they are positioned.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

It seems that SE is severely out of touch with the current state of the industry and where they are positioned.

Considering how hard they tried to push NFT crap the past two years, I believe it.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

People seemed to enjoy this game, but it seems like they had a budgetary look at expectations; spend millions on the intense CGI action scenes and voice acting, get tens of millions back. It even seemed to come forward in their interviews that they “needed” this one to be epic and unmissable.

I’ve never felt that’s a winning approach to games though. Comparing to XIV, you just never know when your major hits are going to come forward.

I will say this much; Shadowbringers and Endwalker felt like that creatively exited the theme of building up to a fight against an unknown and evil god, and had very strong story themes to their conclusion. Sometimes the final boss still registers as a “god”, but that’s not the reason you’re fighting them.

[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Removing the RPG elements from Final Fantasy will do that.

[–] Romanmir@lemmy.today 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

According to Squeenix, what was the last game that actually managed to "meet expectations" according to them?

[–] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing. I remember Tomb Raider sold like 7 mil and they were crying about it

And of course made the genius decision the next year to make the sequel Xbox exclusive for a year

[–] Disgustoid@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

That Tomb Raider thing was completely asinine. It was a quality reboot of a series that had gone horribly off the rails with a lot of promise and Square tanked it with completely unreasonable expectations, apparently expecting sales in the dozens of millions. And here we are with FF apparently not meeting expectations as well--it's easy to see where the issue is, and it's not with the games.

[–] Ashtear@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Off the top of my head, NieR: Automata was the last big one. Before that was the first Life is Strange.

There's also Octopath Traveler, which is perhaps relevant here because that was a game that filled a need on a hot platform. Taking relative install bases into account, FF16 probably had a better attach rate than FF15 did at this point in its lifecycle. I'm sure SQEX was hoping for a much higher rate than that given the slow pace of exclusives developed solely for PS5.

I'm also going to speculate that, internally, there's alarm over the Japan sales. SQEX is part of a group of Japanese publishers that have historically been very--if not unduly--sensitive to poor home performance.

[–] DrPop@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They really need to take a step back and remember why people enjoy the franchise. I enjoyed the characters and the gameplay but they keep changing it. 12 was the beginning of the end of turn based combat. I still like 12 but give us a mainline turn based game. It can be fun and people will like it. Just make good characters.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah imo FF12 was the last legit FF game. FF15 is fine, but doesn't feel at all like FF to me, and I have zero interest in FF16.

[–] Garzak@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

So that may explain their recent commitment to release games also on XBox.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Thats surprising. FF16 is great

[–] o_oli@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Maybe they should release it on other consoles then.

[–] Lalaz4@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no single piece of media that has had more impact on me throughout my life than the Final Fantasy series. I enjoyed the first half or so of 15 so much that I thought for sure it would be my new favorite game of all time. It devolved into such a shit heap that I couldn't even bring myself to play it post updates & DLC. It along with KH3 has left me sour on all of Squares modern releases. I was pleasantly surprised by FF7 Remake and will play FF16 at some point. Even a mediocre Final Fantasy is better than what 15 gave us.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

The Remake is beautiful and isn't a bad game, but every second that I'm playing it I keep asking myself "would I be having more fun playing the original?," and every single time my answer is an immediate "yes."

If they had kept the same gameplay mechanics (yes, including traditional turn-based combat), the Remake might have been my all-time favorite game. As it is, it's just a very pretty shadow of what it could have been.

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I’m excited to buy it when it comes to PC, but my single-player rpg backlog is long already. I’ll probably end up waiting for a sale, which shouldn’t take too long if articles like this keep coming.

This will be my first single player FF since 10. I love XIV, so it seems to me that the hype of using the XIV team on this game wouldn’t add a huge amount of value to a PS5 exclusive release when the majority of XIV players are on PC, and others are still on PS4. It’s not like PC enjoyers and PS4-content players are going to go buy a PS5 just to play it early. They’re waiting for the port, then they’re waiting longer still for the port to be fixed.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

while I enjoyed playing it, it did get a bit tedious near the end, and fully keeping up with the story involved spending as much time in menus reading stuff as playing the rest of the game, 11 hours of which were cutscenes. edit: near the end I just couldn't be bothered and started skipping all cutscenes and dialog just to be done with it.

[–] richyawyingtmv@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I just couldn't get into 16 at all, and this is from someone who loves everything right from the NES up to and including FF13 and 14.

Xenoblade has filled in the gap FF has left for me in many respects.

[–] Crystal_Shards64@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would have purchased it by now if I could get it on the xbox. I could be wrong, but it seems the Xbox gets the short stick a lot this generation. Switch and playstation seem to be given for a games release but it's always a toss up if the Xbox will be included.

I wish it was less intensive for devs to make their games multiplatform. I hope with their recent announcement fir more Xbox support we'll get ff7 remake and ff16 in due time

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Xbox isn't popular in Japan at all, and there's the issue gamepass cannibalizing sales. Makes it a hard sell for Japanese studios for sure.

But in this case it's because sony gave them a bucket of money. Microsoft isn't really the place you want to be to support multiplatform games though, literally anywhere else is better, Microsoft is spending near a hundred billion dollars just to remove games from other people's stores

[–] nyakojiruu@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Ff is not meeting expectations since 8