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Back in the day - rooting Android phones and installing custom ROMs were such a big part of Android. I remember so well using titanium backup and Greenify and Cyanogenmod and the list goes on.

Is it still necessary to root in 2023 though?

I have been on vanilla Android without root access for the past couple of years and at this point most root features have made it into the vanilla Android OS. What are your thoughts?

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haven't rooted in years. Don't really need to anymore.

Plus root breaks my banking app and I need that.

[–] Zebov@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never had a phone that hasn't been rooted and also have always been able to use every app. Google pay might get pissy occasionally, but every banking app has always worked.

[–] flucksy_bango@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
[–] mistermonday@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

I used to root my phone, run custom ROMs and tweaks, the whole thing. Was basically forced to keep stock when I got a galaxy S8, and now I haven't rooted even with my past few pixels, it doesn't feel useful anymore. I might root my pixel 5 in the future as I plan to keep it for a long time, but right now I'm stock

[–] pacjo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Essential? no.

Worth it? maybe.

Nice to have control of your own device? absolutely.

I have two devices, primary with root (through Magisk as KernelSU still has some issues for me) and secondary without root. Anytime I have to do something more demanding on the unrooted device I really wish I had root. Local terminal access, ability to disable some annoying "features" (verified app links) and multiple other things I use daily make it worth it for me.

EDIT: I saw mentions of custom roms in other comments. I have a custom rom installed (AOSP based). If I was on a stock rom (or god forbid something like MIUI) root would be a must for me.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since the proliferation of mobile banking that doesn't even work if you have your phone rooted and the manufactures getting more hostile towards custom ROM developer I practically have stopped modding my phone altogether. I used to be a guy who flashes ROM couple times a day. However now, especially I'm working remotely, I find myself on my phone even less. My phone has become basically only used for texting, banking, and Uber Eats.

[–] pacjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's something interesting about mobile banking. I constantly see stories of issues with it on non-stock / unmodified software. The funny thing is that I have never had any issues personally. Until recently my banking app worked even without Magisk's dentist (and the most picky app was McDonald's). Now I have to add my app to Denylist, but that's the only requirement, no SafetyNet, no Play Integrity, nothing.

[–] nyoooom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I guess some banking apps are less annoying about phone payment, but a lot of them are.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Can't root, breaking Safetynet destroys about 30% of what I use my phone for.

[–] mineapple@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What? There is a module for that called SafetyNetFix. I am fully rooted and can usw any App I want.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're basically playing cat and mouse with these fixes; I don't want to be stuck without access to apps for a day or two, and what I gain isn't that great anyway.

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[–] pacjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have you tried KernelSU? Also if you're careful with magisk you can get SafetyNet to work, even Play Integrity API (but only Basic and Device integrity as Strong requires locked bootloader (or a really bad implementation of security mechanisms as seen here))

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As said above, don't want to be stuck without access to payment apps and ID apps even for a day or two. Risk not worth the reward.

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[–] matt4542@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

KernelSU? Hadn't heard of that one before.

Do you get proper compliancy with the Integrity API?

[–] pacjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

KernelSU? Hadn't heard of that one before.

It's relatively new, few months old at most and started as a joke.

Do you get proper compliancy with the Integrity API?

Screenshot_20230804-134241_Play Integrity API Checker

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm very interested! Which device is this and how did you get to this stage? I believe GKI only really exists for devices running kernel version 5.10 and over. My device is running 5.4 so I can't use this. I hope that in a couple of years KernelSU will become mainstream and I can reap the benefits of SafetyNet without having to deal with Magisk + Zygisk + LSPosed and a bunch of other stuff.

[–] pacjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That was 3 months ago.

  • My phone is Redmi Note 10 Pro (global version) running a custom ROM (AOSP based).

  • You can install KSU on non-GKI devices: https://kernelsu.org/guide/unofficially-support-devices.html. I was probably using this one, but there are multiple KSU kernels available for my device and you can probably find some for yours in the telegram groups.

[–] phamanhvu01@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes this. Pesronally this is like 75% for me considering how reliant I am on online banking nowadays.

[–] Zebov@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What does it break? I've always had a rooted phone and outside of Google pay, have never had anything not work.

Fixing safetynet is just another magisk module (or two, it's been so long I don't remember anymore).

[–] ctrl@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still root my phone for system-wide adblock, call recorder and Xposed modules I have been using since Jelly Bean.

[–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same. I recently got a new phone and considered hopping into the Apple ecosystem, but call recording kept me on Android.

[–] Mkengine@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which app can you recommend for call recording?

[–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

I'm using the BCR magisk module for recording on a Pixel 7. BCR seems to be pretty universal, but some dialers (OnePlus dialer is one) have recording disabled via config and can be reenabled with adb.

[–] matt4542@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I purchased my first Android phone at 13, the Motorola Droid. In less than a month, it was rooted running a custom rom. I rom hopped weekly, tried all sorts of hacks and modifications, and eventually started releasing my own (very crappy) custom roms. I did this all the way through until I had the G6.

I eventually started getting phones where I can unlock the bootloader, and for a bit I would root such as my Essential phone or my Pixel 3a or 4a 5G but since the Pixel 6 I haven't had any reason for perpetual root. I unlock my bootloader, and I root when needed and remove magisk when no longer needed. The cat and mouse game of trying to bypass detection alone makes it a pain when I have banking, work apps, etc that all validate hardware attestation.

[–] whoamibro@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Depends on what your necessities are.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

Even when I've done custom roms like lineqgeOS I haven't rooted. However when it comes to backing up apps root still does feel like the best way to back up specific app data with apps like swift backup.

[–] ahornsirup@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I haven't felt a need to root a phone in years. These days you will get a usable UI and UX with basically all major brands and adblock can be done without root, so it's just not worth the hassle trying to hide the fact that you're rooted from banking apps etc. At least as far as I'm concerned, I'm sure that some people still see a benefit in rooting.

Edit: I actually just thought of a reason: updates once the phone is past its official support window but otherwise still functional (though you don't technically need root for that, just an unlocked bootloader, the new ROM doesn't need to be rooted either strictly speaking). I'd just buy a new phone, but that really just means I'm a part of the e-waste problem.

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Necessary for what? If you want to block ads system-wide, you can use the Private DNS feature. But to fiddle with system partition/install Xposed stuff you definitely need root

[–] TwinTusks@outpost.zeuslink.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like vanilla Android, but many phone companies has their own version of it with meaningless pre-installed apps. I typically root and install vanilla OS and thats it.

[–] Aasikki@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A custom rom isn't the same as rooting though. I've used custom roms without rooting them quite a bit, so my answer to op's question is that no it really isn't that essential, unless you need some very specific magisk module or something.

Ah apologies, I have equal rooting same as flashing custom roms, custom roms only requires unlocking the bootloader.

Yes, I also noticed that recently I have little need to root to tweak around the system. But I do use some apps that requires root, and that is the only reason of my continuing doing so.

[–] ohellidk@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I use Lineage faithfully so my phone stays rooted. Also, I live in the US where carriers aggressively lock down their phones so they can upcharge everything. the whole "your hotspot will work at 3g speeds" is one reason to root. Adaway is another reason to root as well. I'm too cheap for home internet so I tether to get online. US carriers (and cable companies) hate that and try to prevent it. root and VPN gets around that. unlimited 5g hotspot.

[–] triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

blocking ads is as close to "necessary" as it gets for me.

rooting gets harder and harder with new android versions and devices - but it's been worth it for me every time.

lastly FUCK the app developers trying to block rooted devices, it's for their (sense of) security, not ours, and it's sad to see so many people in this thread bullied out of rooting by them

[–] jacktherippah@lemdro.id 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't root anymore, not since I switched to GrapheneOS. It breaks the Android security model. On GrapheneOS it's like fortifying a castle and then blowing a wide open hole in the wall. Just didn't make any sense.

[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Same here.

Anyway, it's not an arms race against the vendor anymore on GrapheneOS. Root is just a toggle switch I control, now.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So I can Degoogle my phone with Graphene OS?

[–] jcrabapple@artemis.camp 3 points 1 year ago

No but I think roms now are at an all time high for quality and stability.

[–] vd1n@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I haven't fucked with my daily driver phones for like 5 years. Sometimes I'll use apps like YouTube revanced or something for music... But honestly I can even do without that and get by with newpipe.

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

First time I rooted was in 2007 for installing CyanogenMod. After Cyanogen stopped updating I haven't bothered rooting my phones.

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'd love to root my pixel (grapheneos) because the tiles are just crap but I don't want to mess with grapheneos' security. If I'd do that, I could judt go with another brand and have awesome tiles by default.

[–] LemmeInPls@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I root because my favorite adblocker is by a guy named kNinja, and I like having 3rd party Material You icons on my default launcher. Also prefer amoled black as a system theme through Repainter.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Quite to the contrary, my phone doesn't even support rooting. Neither TWRP or any other alternative bootloader is written for the Motorola G73, and an image file isn't available to use with Magisk. I would love to root my phone, if I could.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

No. I still use custom Roms, but only ones I can relock the bootloader. I like GrapheneOS and CalyxOS.

[–] DataDreadnought@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Rooting is more security compromising than it's worth. There are a small set of use cases I could see but for the most part do either or below.

If you have a Pixel you would want to run GrapheneOS for maximum security and privacy.

All other phones you would ADB remove bloatware, run PrivateDNS with NextDNS or an alternative, and turn off as much analytics/permission/features as possible for a functional phone.

[–] gobbling871@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Necessary for me to fix the "bugs" present in Android (Safetynet fix, F-droid & Aurora auto updates etc.) and some from the OEM (flawed camera libs from Xiaomi that unintentionally hamper the use of Gcam).

[–] lickmysword@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I used to on my Motorola RAZR for custom themes and the ability to double tap volume keys for track skipping or rewind. Now I have an app to to do that and some watered down system themes. Now I just don't cause I don't see the reason for rooting anymore. And random apps like McDonald's have started checking for root or unlocked bootloader's for some reason.

[–] janAkali@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I still root my phone for Freezing System Apps, reVanced, AdAway(system-wide adblock), Shell automation, circumventing Hotspot restrictions from my Carrier.

I've also been a customization junkie before (mainly with audio mods and UI plugins for Exposed). Not anymore.

But since then rooting to me become not only a means to the end, but an essential part of my phone, as in I get to control and choose what and why is installed/active, not the Vendor/Google. I would root my phone even if I didn't had the need, just cause I like owning things, opposed to modern standard of "everything is a service".

[–] krasny@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I find root essential if you use a custom rom. I usually buy cheap phones (like Poco/Xiaomi) and install a lineageOS build. Without magisk/kernelsu there are a lot of apps that are not going to work (like netflix, Google pay, bank apps, et...).

Nowadays most developers consider that you are a terrorist for having a non-oficial ROM and for me using the super bloated MIUI rom is not an option. If you have a good base os like pixelos, samsung's os or similar maybe you don't need it.

Also being able to fully block advertisement is a great plus of having root. I now that there are methods that does not require root but adaway, in my opinion, is the best.

[–] Guster@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I love that you replied to my 4 month old post. This would never happen on Reddit!

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