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[–] popsyking@feddit.nl 63 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just don't travel to the US at all

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, as much as I'd love to see some of the national parks, I'll never travel there unless their entry procedures and government change fundamentally. Plenty of other countries to visit.

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Come to Canada instead. We got really nice parks too. And they tend to be less Disneyfied.

[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

As an American one of the prettiest places I have ever been is Banff, in Canada.

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 121 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Hi I'm trans and living in the US right now, in Seattle one of the best places to be trans in the US. Don't come here if you're trans. Don't travel to anywhere in the US, not Seattle, not anywhere. If for no other reason than to stop giving tourism money to us but if you're trans then yeah it's getting spicy.

All my trans friends who have had to travel are reporting increased pat downs, getting questioned by TSA, and bags being opened regardless of their documents. If you get clocked you may be delayed or searched.

For any trans people looking to get out of the country be careful. So far my best idea is to get to a state with enhanced IDs, use that to hop the border to Canada by land without having to physically hand your passport to a US agent, then fly out from there.

Stay safe everyone

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

For any trans people looking to get out of the country be careful. So far my best idea is to get to a state with enhanced IDs, use that to hop the border to Canada by land without having to physically hand your passport to a US agent, then fly out from there.

Or stay in Canada if you can swing it, and if we don't elect our own Trump-wannabe in our upcoming election

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago

I really really hope the Cons keep shooting themselves in the foot, for the sake of everyone

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.ml 142 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Most of us are cool with ya'll, but yeah, too many who aren't, so please stay the fuck out until its safe.

[–] ArcturusRoot@lemmy.world 92 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Also to add, there is an unfortunate number of Liberals who are quickly walking back any support for trans folk.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 59 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (20 children)

Not only do these people fail as allies and as compassionate human beings, but they're also very stupid if they don't see that defending trans rights is the front line of the fight against fascism right now, and we all need to be there fighting it. They're not going to stop at taking rights away from trans people. It'll be you next.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They can't see that attacks on trans rights are also attacks on cis rights. I think that's part of the reason why Rep. Zoey Zephyr and Rep. SJ Howell were so effective at stopping a couple pieces of anti-trans legislation in Montana yesterday. They talked about the fact that the legislation would potentially effect cis people as well as the fact that it'd take "parental rights" away from parents. They also did it in a way that created a narrative which both cis and trans people can identify with, creating a common ground to further convince people that the legislation was wrong. And it was successful. They got a number of Republican lawmakers to switch sides, despite the fact that the GOP prides itself on being in lockstep. They even had a Republican lawmaker make a stand too, saying that the people introducing this legislation were basically just wasting everyone's time.

People say, "trans rights are human rights" and they're serious. We embody the extreme of gender non-conformity that cis people occasionally dabble in, and when you start taking away our rights, you start taking away cis rights too.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Can you give some links what these "pieces of anti-trans legislation" were going to do? Not familiar with that yet.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 22 points 5 days ago

Here's an article on the two bills that got voted out in Montana: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/powerful-speeches-from-trans-dems

Most of the anti-trans legislation is as bad or worse; Texas has a couple nutjobs trying to make being trans illegal as a whole.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago

Of course they're stupid; they're Americans.

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately it‘s not a struggle between left or right anymore but up and down instead. Especially in the US.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In what way are liberals walking back support for Trans? I’ve seen the comment from Gavin Newsom about athletics, but does that mean he has walked back all support? Or just in that one area?

[–] DimlyLitFlutteringMoth@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Walking back support in one area is walking back support.

It ain't that complex. As soon as concessions are made, the far right demands more because there must always be an enemy to crush completely for the in-group. Who will then pick a new enemy when it comes politically convenient.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So in your opinion it’s an all or nothing thing? Like, you can’t question one area without going full bigot?

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No.
If you fall back in front of the far right they will take that ground and demand more, as they always have done, and as they always will do. It's how they win, it's how they are winning, on trans rights, on immigration, on racial supremacy. Do not give them an inch. It's not "all or nothing" it's "give the bigots nothing".

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ok, but what if you are not giving into demands, but stating your feelings that just happen to align, in that one area, with the right?

My point is that Trans issues have many different areas. Saying they’re wrong in one area does not mean you are abandoning trans people entirely and just as bad as the bigots that want harm done to them.

Just want to say, I don’t know all of what Newson has said, just read some articles that had 2 or 3 quotes. It’s hard to know what his overall opinions are, though.

[–] DimlyLitFlutteringMoth@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I honestly cannot fathom how you can be looking at the situation of the US currently and not realising how wedge issues based on lies and bigotry work and the absolutely deletrious effect it is having on minorities.

I suppose you'll still be equivocating and making excuses when it's gone past travel bans (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubio-state-transgender-visa-b2704734.html), erasure of LGBT literature (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/banned-books-lgbtq-transgender-black-people-of-color-pen-america-rcna193879), banning of social and medical transition (https://www.hrc.org/resources/attacks-on-gender-affirming-care-by-state-map, https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/texas-not-for-freedom-house-bill-could-ban-gender-affirming-care-for-transgender-adults/ar-AA1AjTF5), the creation of specific crimes for the existence of transgender people (https://msmagazine.com/2025/03/03/montana-hb-446-criminalizes-trans-existence-social-contagion/), the removal of protections in law (https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/01/23/trump-administration-moves-reject-transgender-identity-rights) and we're in camps waiting to be "purified".

Why are you falling for wedge issues that are designed to wipe out a group of people in a way that absolutely parallels actions taken by Nazis? Is a discussion about 10 athletes out of hundreds of thousands that important?

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

The thing is you don't align with the far right. At least I hope you don't anyway. The far right either hate trans people, or they do not give a shit about them either way. They are using trans people as a political football to sow exactly this type of division. Yes, trans people in sport is an unresolved problem. No, I do not want the right wing to be the ones to resolve it. If you align superficially, you still don't want to cede to them. Bear in mind "align" only goes as far as saying "we can agree about this one sentence", not this whole issue.
Godwin's law is fucked these days so let's just use the third Reich as an analogy. You may agree that Germany has a legitimate territorial claim on Alsace-Lorraine. Does that mean you should let the Nazis take it? No, you fight them and then resolve it when someone more reasonable is asking. The reasons why should be obvious, and so should the analogy. It's not about whether the extremely superficial claim is "correct", it's about why they are saying it and what they plan to do if they get enough people to agree with them.
In this case, where the war is one of ideas, you're not a bigot if you agree in a very superficial way, but it's completely redundant to be talking about trans women in sport when all trans people are being stripped of their rights and it looks like things are getting worse. A year ago we were hoping (again) for the first female president; long overdue. That's not an issue anymore, as women are now being erased from history.

[–] DimlyLitFlutteringMoth@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for making this post.

You've outlined exactly why allowing the far right to resolve perceived social issues isn't the way forward, especially when it comes to any sort of "minority" (which seems to be anything that isn't non-immigrant white Christian cis straight men) issues.

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[–] DimlyLitFlutteringMoth@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I am not sure what you don't understand about the statement that walking back support is, in fact, walking back support.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sure, but your comment is implying it’s an all or nothing situation. Walking back is walking back and nothing else matters.

There’s are multitudes of trans issues, and questioning one does not mean you are questioning all of them.

If somebody thinks people born male shouldn’t be competing in non rec league sports against people born female, that doesn’t mean they should be treated the same as people that want to ban drag shows and ban accepting lgbt children and all the other blatant bigotry coming from the MAGA cult.

If you can’t accept the nuance in the conversations then there will be no conversation.

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[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

We call those shitty people where I come from.

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[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Furthermore, dear German folx & allies, can we come stay awhile, please?

Ze Nazis are here now, oder. 🥹

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They're crawling back out of their holes here again too

But generally I'd say most people don't care

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[–] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Start accepting American LGBT refugees then.

[–] sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Boy never in my life I would have thought about political refugees coming from the US to Germany.

Yesterday someone said to me that we're living in a South Park episode that became reality... I think he's right...

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Even South Park isn't this wacky. They had to scrap and remake an episode after the 2016 election because it was completely baffling to them that Trump won.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago

You do not want to be a refugee here trust me

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 63 points 5 days ago

Boy, I would read that as a warning for other people as well. Who the hell wants to travel to a place where people are at risk just for being people? Tourism dies with autocracies. Let America become the dull homogeneous wasteland it wants without throwing them any tourism dollars.

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 69 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"Glory to Aristotska! Papers, please."

DETAIN!

Someone Jumps Over The Wall

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

LYRICS:

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Glory to Arstotzka.

Arstotzkan Anthem (With Lyrics)

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[–] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Something Something passing privilege.

But seriously don't come here, TSA is filled with bootlickers and bystanders. And harassing and detaining foreigners is going to give them good boy points.

[–] CastorSulMush@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Just not being white and travelling to the US is now more of a risk too. Risk of getting harassed and detained by ICE. Or being harassed by people pretending to be ICE. Tourism is going to take a hit.

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago

Based Germany

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