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Ontario will impose a 25% surcharge on electricity exports to New York, Michigan, and Minnesota starting Monday in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs on Canadian goods.

Premier Doug Ford warned U.S. governors and vowed to maintain the surcharge until all tariffs are lifted.

Canada has already imposed $30 billion in retaliatory tariffs, with more planned.

Ford also threatened to cut power to the states by April and banned U.S. firms from bidding on Ontario contracts. A $100M SpaceX deal for rural internet was also scrapped in response.

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[–] VacheronPatek@feddit.nl 129 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 76 points 5 days ago (4 children)

As an American- Agree. The dumbfucks in this country aren't going to understand they fucked up, until the pain kicks in.

[–] Drax_@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Except 2/3 of those states voted blue.

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It sucks, but that's where we are at. It's not like the majority of the Dems are doing anything to actually fight back against this. If blue states get hit too, it might actually get them moving.

[–] Drax_@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fair point. I just wish they hit more red states.

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Same, man. I just wish we weren't going through any of it, but we have too many emotionally and mentally stunted people over here that have us in this situation in the first place.

Plenty of red outside the cities, though, and if they figure out why they're suddenly paying more for electricity, it may change a few minds about Republicans.

Of course, they're more likely to just blame Democrats for it, but one can hope.

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[–] takeda@lemm.ee 41 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Any foreigner should avoid visiting US or buying US products to put pressure too.

It is crazy to advocate for it, as I live in US, but this administration needs pressure from everywhere.

[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Yeah, I'm discouraged to even buy American because Trump and the Republicans have basically turned that into a nationalist policy. I used to love buying American and local, but it feels gross to think that I'm supporting their agenda.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 9 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Pretty sure american products don't have much of a presence outside of the USA because they're actually low-quality and expensive.

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[–] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 46 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The era of US-Canada being brothers in arms is over. I doubt US will be receiving any favors in the future without something in return. And if Canada chooses to expand their supply chains outside of the US, which they 100% should, there’ll be no coming back to a scale of trade as it exists today.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

I cut off a Canadian guy I was friends with recently, this guy agreed with everything Trump was doing.

Told him I don't associate with Trump supporters, even weirder you're Canadian (and lives in Canada)

He said he didn't support trump, but reads all the policies front to back and agrees with them.

I said ok, bye and blocked his ass, we can talk again when you get invaded and become 51st state you love him so much.

Wtf is going on?? He had some bullshit reply to everything like he was Canadian maga.

It basically boils down to this: Trump is a lying, racist, rapist.

How do you put trust in anything he says? I can show you 200 lies, with evidence, just in the last week. He loves Putin and himself, gives no shits about us. He's already broken long existing agreements with other countries, he CANNOT be trusted, no matter how good what he says sounds. His goal is to exact revenge on those that don't like him or have said something bad about him, his skin is so thin. You don't "accidentally" rape a person, he is an absolute terrible human being who deserves zero respect from anyone. Fuck Trump in the neck with a metal pipe.

I've met people like that here in the UK too. Trump has this incomprehensible charisma for arseholes the world over.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

That's a problem we have globally. Although it might seem like Trump style populism vs Canadian neo-liberalism(with all it's pros and cons), we're both purple. You guys just have a bit more right wing red in the dye mix. It's plausible that Canada elects our own Trump then we can both be stupid.

The only ideology that has a chance at stopping the populist wave is Sanders style social democracy because it addresses the same core issue of wealth disparity. But it doesn't look like anyone is electing that anytime soon.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago

Reich wing populism is on the rise, globally.

So, he might hate Trump, but he love the Canadian version.

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 13 points 4 days ago

There is no greater enemy than a friend betrayed

[–] bier@feddit.nl 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can replace Canada with any other country! Europe and the US aren't really friends anymore these days.

[–] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This read as downplaying Canada's significance for a moment, and then immediately circled back to the US being the isolationist Pariah state it is becoming

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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm certain he's doing it for the wrong reasons, but it's nice to see the angry raging conservative attacking a genuine asshole for once.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Honestly he's even doing it for the right reasons. His country has been economically attacked. Not to respond would just make it worse.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I suspect he's playing it up for the camera in order to differentiate himself from American conservatives now that they've begun turning on Canada. It's something I imagine we'll see out of Poilievre as well, because otherwise they'll quickly become unelectable.

Just remember that they were chums all up until this point, and that's still damning. Ford supported American conservatives all the way until the leopards turned to eat his face. Yeah, it's cool that he's going above and beyond to fight back now, but he still wants Ontario to act like Texas.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

Not disagreeing at all. It's the standard right wing mode of operation, nothing matters until it affects them personally. It should be studied as a developmental disability.

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[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Glad Canada is sticking to I because they’re sending a message Trump that they’re not going to fuck around with him flipping the on/off switch on tariffs

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 46 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think the damage is done. I hope to never see American liquor in stores ever again.

[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m American I agree. Your country doesn’t deserve our businesses if we have a dictator running our country

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago (5 children)

We will be happy to come back as soon as America enacts stronger protections to prevent this from happening again and dumps Trump. Nothing wrong the the American people, it's just one American and one south African than are ruining everything for everyone.

[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You're forgetting about the 70 million folks who voted for him. Terrible hateful folks

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[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 38 points 5 days ago

I'm ok with this and live in one of the affected states.

[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (6 children)

No offense but Trump would welcome these on highly liberal Minnesota and New York and be impartial to Michigan. These are not affecting conservative states.

[–] beanie@lemmy.ca 30 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It will affect the customers, who are rural. The states are blue, because of their cities, but the cities aren’t reliant on Canadian electricity. The rural areas are, and they vote red.

[–] wisely@feddit.org 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In the past when he refuses emergency assistance for blue states his advisers struggle to make him understand that the affected areas voted for him. Seems to struggle to understand or care beyond how an entire state voted.

[–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

To be fair, does it matter if it's a blue state either way?

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[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do you really think the Trump supporters will connect the dots?

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[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Why are mostly blue states getting punished for shithead? They should be focusing on red states. They’re the ones who voted for this nonsense.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 points 4 days ago

USA is USA.

People outside of the USA will treat you the same as you treat any other nation. Does trumps tariffs only target the liberal provinces?

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I like it, but I'm a little confused.

Why does an individual province determine trade policy? Is this normal for Canada?

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The deal is between the provincial utility, which provides the electricity, and the state utility. In the USA, the federal government controls most resource rights. In Canada, it's the provinces. Comparatively, provinces are a lot more powerful than states are. As I understand it.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

~~I'm waiting for him to tear up the gd damn Starlink contract that he keeps threatening to do, but hasn't done.~~

He said he's ripped up the contact.

Drug Fraud isn't known for keeping his word.

[–] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 31 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Ontario has already ripped up a $100-million deal with Elon Musk's SpaceX to bring Starlink's high-speed internet to rural and northern communities and remote First Nations.

Article claims it's already happened!

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago

Thanks for the correction. I'd only seen news that he promised to do that, but not that he had.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Life Pro Tips:

To USA Residents: If electricity is too expensive, you could always save money by shoplifting 😉 (go for the big corporate chains)

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[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago

Can they get the Fed to drop the F35 contract for a European platform?

[–] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hold up - if there is already a 25% tariff - IE tax - on Canadian electricity, does that mean that there is now another 25% tax on that electricity?

And wouldn't this have a slight compounding effect on the second us tariff?

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but us postponed their tariffs another month.

[–] deadfatquarterzip@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago

Thing that sucks tho, is at this point it doesn't matter if there's tariffs or not, since people have started preparing as if there will be. Worse, tariffs get integrated into an economy and are next to impossible to un-do. God 45 is so stupid

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

And Trump cares that these blue states will be cut off why?

[–] Tailzse836@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe a state like NY votes blue in state wide elections, but they vote in a lot of Republicans for the House in districts outside if NYC

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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Since Trump wants to complain about the trade deficit, Canada should cap exports to be equal to imports from the US. Poof no more trade deficit.

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