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Ontario will impose a 25% surcharge on electricity exports to New York, Michigan, and Minnesota starting Monday in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs on Canadian goods.

Premier Doug Ford warned U.S. governors and vowed to maintain the surcharge until all tariffs are lifted.

Canada has already imposed $30 billion in retaliatory tariffs, with more planned.

Ford also threatened to cut power to the states by April and banned U.S. firms from bidding on Ontario contracts. A $100M SpaceX deal for rural internet was also scrapped in response.

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[–] VacheronPatek@feddit.nl 109 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 62 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As an American- Agree. The dumbfucks in this country aren't going to understand they fucked up, until the pain kicks in.

[–] Drax_@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Except 2/3 of those states voted blue.

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It sucks, but that's where we are at. It's not like the majority of the Dems are doing anything to actually fight back against this. If blue states get hit too, it might actually get them moving.

[–] Drax_@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fair point. I just wish they hit more red states.

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Same, man. I just wish we weren't going through any of it, but we have too many emotionally and mentally stunted people over here that have us in this situation in the first place.

Plenty of red outside the cities, though, and if they figure out why they're suddenly paying more for electricity, it may change a few minds about Republicans.

Of course, they're more likely to just blame Democrats for it, but one can hope.

[–] vaprz@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It will likely take awhile for this to have any effect. I know at least in my state (ME) the utility needs to give a 30 day notice of rate hike and then that needs to then go to committee within public utility commission, who will basically arbitrate the request for increase.

Consequently, my supplier of electricity is a wholly owned Canadian company...so they'd actually be paying the increase until a rate hike was approved. Also, would a punitive rate hike even be approved?

They have enough trouble getting a 1% rate hike though for building infrastructure.

Edit: Although I'm not up to speed on if the affected states have set rates or variable rates.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 27 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Any foreigner should avoid visiting US or buying US products to put pressure too.

It is crazy to advocate for it, as I live in US, but this administration needs pressure from everywhere.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Pretty sure american products don't have much of a presence outside of the USA because they're actually low-quality and expensive.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Brit here, I make sure to try and pay more attention and avoid American products now. Not that I bought many before, cola is probably the main one when at a pub/restaurant. Now if there is nothing else I want I just get water. So probably a healthier switch.

[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Yeah, I'm discouraged to even buy American because Trump and the Republicans have basically turned that into a nationalist policy. I used to love buying American and local, but it feels gross to think that I'm supporting their agenda.

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[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Glad Canada is sticking to I because they’re sending a message Trump that they’re not going to fuck around with him flipping the on/off switch on tariffs

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think the damage is done. I hope to never see American liquor in stores ever again.

[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m American I agree. Your country doesn’t deserve our businesses if we have a dictator running our country

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago (5 children)

We will be happy to come back as soon as America enacts stronger protections to prevent this from happening again and dumps Trump. Nothing wrong the the American people, it's just one American and one south African than are ruining everything for everyone.

[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You're forgetting about the 70 million folks who voted for him. Terrible hateful folks

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Add that to the eligible voters who abstained and you have a sizable proportion of the adult population.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

There's definitely a lot wrong with a large portion of the American people.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Unfortunately, the dumbest ~70 million Americans got together and ruined it for everyone.

Trump is just one guy, but he's the fart filled turd floating on top of a long stream of raw sewage.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

What kind of protections though he is in violation of ~~NAFTA2~~ erm.. USMCA that he negotiated himself. Technically what he is doing is illegal, but Republican Congress is letting him do it.

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[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Exactly -- the threat of tariffs -- and annexation! -- must not only stop, but be refuted forever by a new treaty, signed by the US. Promising both will stop, for good, is the only remedy now.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago

Trump himself signed the treaty that he now claims is unfair. The US doesn't have respect for honour, the law, or even reality anymore. They voted in a criminal to be their President, they have no respect for anything except money now.

There is no promise or treaty that will bring this to a conclusion forever.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm certain he's doing it for the wrong reasons, but it's nice to see the angry raging conservative attacking a genuine asshole for once.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Honestly he's even doing it for the right reasons. His country has been economically attacked. Not to respond would just make it worse.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I suspect he's playing it up for the camera in order to differentiate himself from American conservatives now that they've begun turning on Canada. It's something I imagine we'll see out of Poilievre as well, because otherwise they'll quickly become unelectable.

Just remember that they were chums all up until this point, and that's still damning. Ford supported American conservatives all the way until the leopards turned to eat his face. Yeah, it's cool that he's going above and beyond to fight back now, but he still wants Ontario to act like Texas.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Not disagreeing at all. It's the standard right wing mode of operation, nothing matters until it affects them personally. It should be studied as a developmental disability.

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 31 points 5 days ago

I'm ok with this and live in one of the affected states.

[–] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 days ago

The era of US-Canada being brothers in arms is over. I doubt US will be receiving any favors in the future without something in return. And if Canada chooses to expand their supply chains outside of the US, which they 100% should, there’ll be no coming back to a scale of trade as it exists today.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

~~I'm waiting for him to tear up the gd damn Starlink contract that he keeps threatening to do, but hasn't done.~~

He said he's ripped up the contact.

Drug Fraud isn't known for keeping his word.

[–] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ontario has already ripped up a $100-million deal with Elon Musk's SpaceX to bring Starlink's high-speed internet to rural and northern communities and remote First Nations.

Article claims it's already happened!

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago

Thanks for the correction. I'd only seen news that he promised to do that, but not that he had.

[–] Titanious@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

Hopefully they actually killed that contract and not just saying it for clout. They better have a plan to still provide better Internet services to these communities.

My wife's family had to deal with shitty xplornet services for years while living in the sticks. They literally had no internet for weeks and xplornet was like "we don't see any issues on our end". It took multiple calls to actually get a tech to finally come out, but then said nothing's wrong and left it at that, despite no internet still. Xplornet just eventually started ignoring their calls. They got starlink and haven't had an issue since. It sucks that it's owned by Elon "the man-child Nazi" Musk, who could just decide to cut off services in Canada. Doesn't help our own telecoms are dog shit in their own way either. It's long overdue getting the rural and remote communities access to Internet in Canada.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I like it, but I'm a little confused.

Why does an individual province determine trade policy? Is this normal for Canada?

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The deal is between the provincial utility, which provides the electricity, and the state utility. In the USA, the federal government controls most resource rights. In Canada, it's the provinces. Comparatively, provinces are a lot more powerful than states are. As I understand it.

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

And Trump cares that these blue states will be cut off why?

[–] Tailzse836@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

Maybe a state like NY votes blue in state wide elections, but they vote in a lot of Republicans for the House in districts outside if NYC

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Life Pro Tips:

To USA Residents: If electricity is too expensive, you could always save money by shoplifting 😉 (go for the big corporate chains)

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Shiplifting? Settle down popeye

yaRrr 🏴‍☠️

(sorry my pirate brain must've subconsciously took over 😉)

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[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

No offense but Trump would welcome these on highly liberal Minnesota and New York and be impartial to Michigan. These are not affecting conservative states.

[–] beanie@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It will affect the customers, who are rural. The states are blue, because of their cities, but the cities aren’t reliant on Canadian electricity. The rural areas are, and they vote red.

[–] wisely@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago

In the past when he refuses emergency assistance for blue states his advisers struggle to make him understand that the affected areas voted for him. Seems to struggle to understand or care beyond how an entire state voted.

[–] Parsizzle@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm not entirely sure he would care either way to be fair, but you do raise a good point.

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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Since Trump wants to complain about the trade deficit, Canada should cap exports to be equal to imports from the US. Poof no more trade deficit.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just cut off the oil, that would do it.

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Not enough, it should be 100% and another thing if we have a surplus that we sell, why the fuck is electricity so expensive in Ontario!?

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's too bad they can't just do 50% on MAGA households and non voters. Somewhere in NY there is someone who actively campaigned to prevent this and continues to protest and they're getting a 25% price hike anyway.

At least we can target businesses and billionaires more directly, although unlike the average voter they need a lot, lot more pain before they change.

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