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Firefox maker Mozilla deleted a promise to never sell its users' personal data and is trying to assure worried users that its approach to privacy hasn't fundamentally changed. Until recently, a Firefox FAQ promised that the browser maker never has and never will sell its users' personal data. An archived version from January 30 says:

Does Firefox sell your personal data?

Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That's a promise.

That promise is removed from the current version. There's also a notable change in a data privacy FAQ that used to say, "Mozilla doesn't sell data about you, and we don't buy data about you."

The data privacy FAQ now explains that Mozilla is no longer making blanket promises about not selling data because some legal jurisdictions define "sale" in a very broad way:

Mozilla doesn't sell data about you (in the way that most people think about "selling data"), and we don't buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of "sale of data" is extremely broad in some places, we've had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).

Mozilla didn't say which legal jurisdictions have these broad definitions.

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[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I see it said agian and agian. because its true. Firefox is one of, if not the best of the mainstream browsers. (Not included its many forks) but Mozilla is a horrible caretaker of it. Mozilla does not focus on firefox and they dont care/believe in it nearly as much as its users or devs who fork it.

The motivations of a company are extremely important, and has Mozilla does not care for a lightweight, good, privacy centric browser, the enshitification will and has corrupt firefox.

It's only a matter of time until it is as bad as chromium or flat out joins it.

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[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is extremely broad in some places, we’ve had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable)

So in other words we sell your data and get paid for it, and some countries won't let us lie about it.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I think it would be very fucking easy to say "we don't sell your data" by any definition... Literally all you need to do is not fucking sell people's data

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Mozilla needs to understand that I don't want it to have my data to sell or not in the first place.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

That's the thing that bothers me about all these companies now. My data is my data, not theirs. They shouldn't even be allowed to collect it, let alone sell it or give it to anyone who wants it.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Nahhh, trust them, bro. People working on other things with the same product name as their company name were great people. That should be endorsement enough.

Wait. They have this 'open source' flag. If they wave it about - oooh, pretty - does that help?

[–] NullHippo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're cash strapped and cash strapped companies are the worst when it comes to being trustworthy. That's all the calculus that needs to be done.

How about asking for money? I'd gladly pay if they stripped out a bunch of the nonsense they do and focus on making a better browser. Or keep that crap and let me donate directly to Firefox development.

[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Oh for fuck's sake! List of Firefox alternatives:

Windows/Linux/MacOS:

Android:

iOS: ??

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm giving Waterfox a test drive and like it so far. No issues.

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[–] zecg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate,

Fuck off Mozilla. Maybe don't pay CEOs millions and don't force things like Pocket and LLMs on users if you want to be commercially viable, I'd gladly pay for Firefox that doesn't make me dodge new features and services. But it would be a donation towards development of a browser that is commons, since you have no product to sell, only GPL'd code that's mine as much as yours.

You have NO fucking leverage, Firefox is better than Chrome, but there's projects that will gladly repackage your code with no telemetry whatsoever for any platform while you're brainstorming just the right amount of monetization to prevent the frog from jumping.

It's kind of sad I don't use Chrome and therefore never think of it, while I like and use Firefox and am therefore constantly at odds with Mozilla.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

The screw-ups keep mounting like they want to be Google.

They (and we)'ve got to admit, the solution is not going to come from within their (managerial) ranks.

At this point I'd be happy to offer my services as a BDFL for Mozilla, at but a small fraction of the wages of any of their C-suites.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
[–] kingshrubb@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Google really needs to be broken up. They've become the Ma Bell of the internet.

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

promises don't count if you delete them. everyone knows that

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"If I put my wedding ring in my pocket, it's not cheating..."

[–] RustyShackleford@literature.cafe 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This kind of thinking shouldn't be acceptable from a legal standpoint. Yet the courts do nothing...

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the US at least, the courts are seemingly bought out.

Sad it's even acceptable.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm about to get my tattoo removed wtf

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

If it's really you...

Wtf?

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Women CEOs are as shit as Male CEOs. Who would have thunk the war of the sexes was a cause dangled in front of the bougies so the elite could parasitise free from fear of popular revolt huh?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I read somewhere that women CEO are often chosen when the company is declining or about to fail, as a way to take the blame off from themselves. So your comment seems kind of misogynistic and saying women are just as bad, but you are not accounting for the misogyny in the corporate world. In many cases a male dominated BOD often use women as a scapegoat for their failings, musks twitter for example, he hides behind a woman to take criticism off himself. Women also earn significantly less than men in the same position. Another is YouTube's Late ceo. Theranos had Holmes, but if you look further she was chosen to be the face by a male BOD

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[–] Solventbubbles@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Son of a bitch I just got back into Firefox.

Get in loser, we’re going to librewolf apparently. Fuck me I’ve reached the age of seeing all the things I like die. I don’t even remember a time I didn’t use Firefox. God damn it

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