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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Standing up for the little guy. Huh. Is that why billionaires and CEO are throwing literal tens of millions at Trump? Why he staffed his cabinet with billionaires? Why the center of his policy is tax cuts for the giga wealthy, at the expense of everyone else and the national debt, at a time where wealth inequality is literally tearing the country apart?

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/15/trump-windfall-fundraising-500-million

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/09/trump-wealth-cabinet-politicians-billionaires

These are objective, public facts. Like, I'm way more conservative than Lemmy’s center and willing acknowledge any good Trump does, but what reality is this guy living in? Who is this statement for? Who the heck does he think is using Proton services? He just pissed off his employees and customers for… What?

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably doesn't want to get banned in the US... Or so my copium tells me.

Silver lining is that Proton is owned by a non-profit.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was thinking this for a second, but is this really plausible? Normally when we talk about corporations we talk about how powerful they are and how they use different nations to locate headquarters and offices in order to mitigate legal and tax obligations. We regularly talk about how governments can't reign them in and how they act with impunity.

But now? "They HAVE to capitulate. They are just doing it to survive." Really? Do we really believe that? Or is it more likely that this is what they want and if they didn't, they'd be fighting tooth and nail to stop it? I'm with the second option honestly.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That’s what I don't get. If the proton CEO was actually raging MAGA, the last thing he should do, strategically, is stoke fires by stirring this up. That’s business 101.

…He must want conservative’s ears for some kind of policy issue, maybe to the detriment of Proton’s competitors. But what?

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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Let's not get carried away. The scope of the comment is pretty narrow if you read it closely. This is one member of a 5-person board that also includes Tim Berners-Lee. The foundation structure is also a protection against abuses.

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes you are right, and no you are not. It is concerning and something to stay vigilent about in the upcoming times.

[–] ghostface@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Can't you both be right? One it is a very narrow complement and also it be very concerning that the "small tech" is also bowing harder than big tech.

But this may be the price for not donating?

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah plus it's a swiss company...with a crypto banking feature. They probably just want to attract Nazi bitcoin.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

that also includes Tim Berners-Lee

You mean that traitorous piece of shit who sold us out to DRM on the Web?

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Actually I ended up coming round to his view on this. If Firefox has stuck to its principles on DRM, then it would have been goodbye Firefox. And then you would have had no decent options at all, and neither would I. The setting is still opt-in.

Sometimes we have to compromise.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 16 points 1 month ago

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and that applies to tech. I pay for Proton and this is disappointing af but not shocking. Corporations and wannabe billionaires always fold to fascism.

Gonna start looking around at alternative email services to consider but I use my Proton email everywhere, so switching away is going to suck.

[–] 7112@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sad. The way tech companies are changing stripes, we are about to hit a surveillance state by summer

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[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can understand being fine with a nomination that aligns with his personal interests but from there the journey to « party of small people » likely takes a convoluted path.

[–] peto@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's probably just a language thing. When he says small people he means sub-mega corporations. Actual humans probably pass beneath his notice.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

So you’re thinking he means small in terms of Proton vs Google.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

If you think any anti trust shit is happening to any company who gave trump a million dollars, I have a used car I would like to sell you.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

What?? „Stands for the Little guys“

Are you fucking tripping?!

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I see a lot of good discussion here. I've been on proton for years now, using my own domain. While true that Andy is one of 5 board members, and it's a nonprofit etc, these statements are raising hairs on my neck, personally.

Does anyone have a good guide on problems associated with self-hosting email?

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[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Proton Mail --> Mail-In-A-Box

Proton Calender --> Mail-In-A-Box

Proton Drive --> Mail-In-A-Box

Proton VPN --> Mullvad VPN

Proton Pass --> Bitwarden/KeePass+Mail-In-A-Box

Proton Wallet --> Stick with your cryptos base wallet app. Never give your private keys to any service.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can't tell if > is meant as "greater than" or "can be replaced by"

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Crap. Fixed it. Thanks!

[–] Zero22xx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ah yes, Fox News. The company that is simultaneously 'news' or 'entertainment', depending on which description serves them better at the time. These are perfect representatives for the era where billionaires are supposedly 'anti-establishment' and book burners that police other people's identities and force their religion onto others are supposedly all for free speech and freedom of expression.

I just don't know anymore. How do you deal with people who will point at a fly and tell you that it's a bird, while sincerely believing it?

[–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The official @protonprivacy@mastodon.social account replied and doubled down

protonprivacy@mastodon.social - @jonah

Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.

Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

1/2

protonprivacy@mastodon.social - @jonah By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.

Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.

Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

2/2

(Less importantly, my response)

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

By my lights your response is quite effective, and while I appreciate the modesty I think it's appropriate to bring it over here:

Unfortunately, there's a line beyond which it's not okay to view a political party through one issue, and IMO the Republicans have crossed that line.

Privacy is a human rights issue. Republicans have signaled very strongly that they're going to violate more human rights. It's a net loss for privacy if that happens, even if big tech is a bit more restrained.

I'm sorry @protonprivacy, you've failed this test IMO. It would be one thing to say that given that the Republicans are in power, that Gail Slater is a good pick, but that's not the stance you took.

[–] edg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That is somet nieve horseshit. Goddammit I don't want to switch email providers again!

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the rich got so unbelievably rich and the poor became so insignificant / invisible that these few people in the middle think they're the "little guys"

wake the fuck up

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Nooooooo not Proton! 😡

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Another tech dipshit, whose wealth allows him to exist outside the realm of reality, bending the knee to an anti-democratic felon rapist so he can get some handouts.

Pathetic loser.

Growing up, if you had told me half or more of America would end up elevating a rapist to the presidency and prostrating themselves at his feet, I'd have laughed you out of the room. This nation has sunk LOW.

NordVPN is superior in every way. If you have ProtonVPN, dump it and swap to Nord.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How much wealth does he have ?

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The co-founder and CEO of Proton?

Many, many millions of dollars.

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[–] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

First strike Andy.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

God damn it.

[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I wouldn’t say he embraced Trump, I’d say he is pro-breaking big tech, since that would probably help Proton.

Bernie Sanders even came out and said “hey, if Trump wants to cap credit card interest rates, I’m with him on that.”

Trump says a lot of shit to appeal to working class people. I don’t disagree with reminding him of what he said and holding him to those things, if he’s now going to be president.

[–] HorikBrun@kbin.earth 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] Rice_Daddy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Too bad, I was considering their service when my VPN service ran out. Not excluding them outright, but will have to keep a eye on it.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Noooo pls noooo

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Someone's account got hacked?

Gonna wait some time in case this is an account hack.

Edit: Also can I just say that Proton's cloud drive thing suck ass. Like on the mobile app you cant even download an entire folder, you have to manually download the files, and if you download more than 25 files at once, it gets buggy and not all files get downloaded.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Oh damn. I was hoping proton had another good 20 years before some limp-dick ceo started with this shit.

I guess that makes tuta the company to beat?

[–] dipcart@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

What's the best way to transfer to another secure email provider?

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Is he right about the start of the anti-trust action ?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Large corporations like google have grown and thrived in Silicon Valley, supported by the politicians of California. So by extension they are partially responsible for enabling these companies to be the giants they are.

According to this article Google has funded 40 elected officials and spent $10.7 million in lobbying California's legislature and Governor this year alone.

If a president (even a shitty one) was considering putting a damper on companies like google, I would not be against that. We'll see if anything actually happens.

I'm not ditching Proton over one fucking tweet

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Good for you

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"omg, turns out this big tech company is not my friend"

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[–] TootTootComingThru@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
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