sensiblepuffin

It's a fair argument, especially given how much... entertainment he seems to derive from owning it.

Hey, everyone deserves two or three back and forths before I write them off as not really wanting to have a debate on a thing

A cable subscription isn't a depreciating asset, though.

The cultural victory, if you will.

Currently the earth is overpopulated and many parts of the world are only just starting to slow their population growth. The problem of crowding is going to be here for awhile. Eventually it would be great if we could reduce our population to the point where there's plenty of space for all, if that sounds utopian to you, but for the time being we're going to have to live in denser areas if we want to deliver amenities and services to all (and we do).

Dense and (I guess I should have said or) urban areas. If these people are moving to the outskirts of metro areas, they're creating a dense, if not urban, community.

https://www.un.org/development/desa/en/news/population/2018-revision-of-world-urbanization-prospects.html

Tbf, people moving from rural areas to more dense and urban areas is kind of inevitable as time goes on. Megacities when?

To be fair, they are older. They don't have much time left on this earth and they don't have the ability to adapt to change as well as younger people. Most of them are not exactly financially stable, and they're worried that their routine could be disrupted by forces beyond their control. That being said, fear has always been a great motivator, especially for conservative/reactionary types.

I think the fact that you've spent a lot of time in liberal organizations is why you think that way about where it falls on the continuum between progressivism and conservatism.

Interesting that you characterize my statement as "both sides"ing. I would say the thrust of my statement is not "both sides" but "one side". America does not have a progressive party, only conservative and conservative-lite. Given the choice, of course I'll choose the latter, not least because the former is so far off the deep end it may never recover as a party. That does not mean I think that both parties are the same.

Visually:

--------Progressivism ------------------------ Center ------ Liberalism --------------------------- Conservatism.

Liberals and conservatives are more similar than liberals and progressives.

I don't know about civic duty. In my opinion seniors are more uneasy about any policy that might change their lives in any way, and they tend to vote to maintain the status quo.