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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24046998

Summary

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum mocked Donald Trump’s proposal to rename the Gulf of Mexico the "Gulf of America" by suggesting the U.S. be renamed "Mexican America."

"It sounds nice, doesn’t it?" she said, pointing to a 17th-century map showing California, Texas, and Arizona once belonging to Mexico before the Mexican-American War (1846–1848). She also noted the Gulf of Mexico has had its name since 1607.

Sheinbaum warned new U.S. tariffs would prompt reciprocal measures.

While advocating for cooperation, she emphasized Mexico’s sovereignty and its historical ties with the U.S.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 14 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Who's manipulating Trump?

Or, asking the same questions through different words: who's able to manipulate him, and benefits from USA losing all its soft power?

I'm asking this because there's a clear pattern in all this shit: he's taunting every single of USA's long-standing partners. First the EU (Greenland), then the Commonwealth (Canada), now Mexico. In the meantime the shit that Americans whine on the internet is becoming increasingly more relatable, hinting that the situation there is becoming more and more similar to the one here in Latin America.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

We all know who. But if anyone does need help connecting the dots: https://ponder.cat/post/1252517.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I thought about Putin, IIRC he's close to Trump. But the hypothesis in the link only makes sense if Putin's goal is USA isolating itself, not the annexation of those territories. Because:

  1. The odds of USA annexing Canada or Greenland are next to zero. Even Trump being guillotined would be less unlikely.
  2. If USA actually annexed those places, it would benefit Russia for four years... and that's it. Then Russia would have a bigger problem to deal with, as the presidency of USA changes hands.

But I don't know, I feel like there's some piece missing here.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There are lots of possibilities.

One being mere FUD - remember that he doesn't have to succeed to cause disruption, and even the attempt will draw focus away from Russia's own annexation of Ukraine.

And if that can simultaneously be accomplished while also acting to isolate the USA away from its allies - and perhaps more importantly them away from the USA - then so much the better (for Russia I mean, though at the expense of the Western nations).

Or Putin could have meant it as a jest, and Trump did not realize that.😜

But I also think there's a halfway decent chance that Trump himself won't even bother trying - he could back down, and then claim: "see how reasonable I am, I wanted to do this crazy thing, but you didn't want me to so I didn't, yet now I want to do this other much more 'reasonable' thing and it's my turn to win so you gotta let me have this new thing I want, if you want me in return to keep doing things your way occasionally, that's called 'compromise' btw" (it's actually not btw, as a better term would be rather "shifting the goalposts", but whatever...).

And if that was the case, then we wasted all of our efforts trying to understand the "strategy" behind something that was only ever meant as a distraction to begin with - unless that's what they WANT us to think, and then they push it through and actually get it DONE!? That's the thing when facing against an opponent who actually knows what the word "strategy" means - whereas the voting public seems to have no clue, which is why we probably should not have been in charge in the first place 😞 (at least I heard that sentiment a lot after Brexit, by people in the UK - like "whoopsie, can we get a do-over?!" then doing the identical thing again every single time that the latter was granted, proving just how impossible it is to help people who are absolutely dead set against receiving that aid).

Also, bold of you to presume that the USA will ever have another election again... - it is now legal to assassinate his opponent if he so chooses, so the playing field has changed entirely. Probably he'll allow bad candidates to run that have no chance of actually winning, so it will appear as if his preferred choice had won entirely legally (Jared Kushner? or some other handpicked candidate - in all likelihood by Putin, or whoever succeeds him and inherits whatever other dirt he keeps on all rich and powerful people around the world). The gloves are off now: this is a brave new world.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 28 minutes ago

Putin is a bit too serious and conscious of the impact of his decisions to be jesting, specially near some clueless moron. The other hypotheses that you laid out seem sensible, though.

Also, bold of you to presume that the USA will ever have another election again… [...]

Even then, his successor won't be as easy to manipulate as Trump himself.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's a chess game at this point. We sadly have someone great at somehow running casinos into the ground, but here we are.

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If the chess board was made of dice.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

It is much worse than that: the game and pieces are real, yet one side keeps chewing on the pieces and then rolling them as if they were dice.

I think... I think we might end up losing this one, everything else being equal (fortunately the latter is not the case, and I'm hanging on to that sliver of hope with every fiber of my being:-).

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

At the same time, Sheinbaum said she expects to have a good relationship with Trump, saying the incoming US president “has his way of communicating.”

oh yeah, that’ll show him …

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 12 hours ago

It sounds and probably is pointless, but I expect politicians everywhere are completely lost as to how the hell they can communicate with that idiot. And they have little choice in the matter.

[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 3 points 18 hours ago