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[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

We are lucky to still have 2 choices

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who sell you as a consumer to vast ad agencies and make a profit off your doom scrolling.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Not quite, these two are the vast ad agencies.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 3 points 1 year ago

nope. they do all the tracking and manipulation themselves. selling to other ad agencies would allow said other agencies to compete and they don't want that.

they might share data between each other though, we can't really prove they don't

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Here's the fun part, they don't need to listen to you. You are far more predictable than you realize. They already know everything about you, what you search, what apps you use, what kinds of exercise you do and when, what you eat, what articles you read, movies and podcasts you consume, music you listen to, what you buy, where you go, who you hang out with, and everything about the people you hang out with. Every minute of your life is meticulously tracked and analyzed and compared to the hundred thousand people who are just like you in terms of interests and patterns. They can predict to a scary degree what your thinking before you might even realize it yourself. They know you better than you know yourself. Why waste the resources sifting through hours of recordings when they already know everything going on in your head from the million data points you voluntarily transmit to them everyday?

The other part of this to keep in mind is that you are bombarded with ads all day most of which you ignore. It's just that those few times where they manage to hit a straight bullseye, showing you an add for something you were just talking about or even just thinking about, those are the ones that will stick in your memory.

[–] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Please, please, please, can people just understand this?! It's infuriating hearing all these conspiracies when in reality, it's so much simpler to just use the data we already know they collect.

[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s also frankly scarier that they can predict our thoughts, patterns, movements etc. without the need to listen to us at all. That scares the shit out of me.

[–] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

It's not really all that crazy to think though. We create categories for people in our own heads and predict their behavior all the time. Often times we get it right because people are at least somewhat predictable. Look no further than starter pack memes.

[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

If you an average male into video games it's going to shill you popular video games. That's an assumption given your gender and age and probably location and most of the time it's a correct choice. It's not as advanced as you think it is.

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[–] scifu@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

And yet they can’t recommend a song that I would actually like.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But I don't see any ads. I use ublock on PC and mobile. I use only lemmy and mastodon and I have multiple apps to watch youtube ad free.
Well, I should probably say that the ads I do see, I see voluntarily. Like trailers for instance.

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[–] outdated_belated@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There was the incident of Target or some store realizing someone was pregnant before they did themselves, which seems relevant here.

[–] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Low income, less than high school education, late teens, living in the deep south, buying pickles in bulk from Costco... Survey says: prèganté

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes! I was going to mention that, I heard about that years ago, so things have to be way more sophisticated now. Just looked it up the story was from 2012, and target was just tracking credit card numbers and noticing when women started buying things like unscented lotion. So this is waaay less sophisticated then the information companies are sucking up in present day.

> As Pole’s computers crawled through the data, he was able to identify about 25 products that, when analyzed together, allowed him to assign each shopper a “pregnancy prediction” score. More important, he could also estimate her due date to within a small window, so Target could send coupons timed to very specific stages of her pregnancy. > > One Target employee I spoke to provided a hypothetical example. Take a fictional Target shopper named Jenny Ward, who is 23, lives in Atlanta and in March bought cocoa-butter lotion, a purse large enough to double as a diaper bag, zinc and magnesium supplements and a bright blue rug. There’s, say, an 87 percent chance that she’s pregnant and that her delivery date is sometime in late August.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/?sh=75e6dd266668 The story I found was a girl who got a target mailer for pregnancy stuff and her dad was pissed, only to find out later that his daughter was im fact pregnant. Target changed tactics, instead of sending mailers with just baby stuff, they start sending personalized mailers with some baby stuff mixed in, increasing as the due date approaches. And again this was 11 years ago and just used credit card information and target purchase data. It's wild to think of what they can do now.

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why are some of you STILL not using ad, tracker, and script blockers in 2023? This is basic internet shit. Wear protection and stop rawdogging it.

[–] Ducks@ducks.dev 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even with all that disabled there are still ghost profiles of you built. If you shop online at all you are building a fingerprint without the need of trackers.

Even then, you should use adblockers to stop giving them money. Modern day social media is just targeted advertising, that is why they profile you. If you don't see ads, that information is useless to them.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's why i do everything that's transactional in an incognito window. i have plenty of non-incognito tabs but they're nearly all sites i log into on the regular such as lemmy. combine that with firefox's built-in privacy protections and ublock origin, which is a combo that absolutely wrecks a lot of tracking and browser fingerprinting scripts to begin with (i have actually done contract work for marketing communications people and it was crazy how many layers of defense i needed to peel back just to debug their shit) and most of that tracking becomes disjointed cookies that only span a single session each and are hella hard to correlate.

[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Incognito window doesn't do what you think it does. Also it doesn't stop browser fingerprinting, even tor itself doesn't really take a win there.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yeah, the thing that stops browser fingerprinting on the threat level of ad companies is firefox's built-in protections (which are in fact stronger in incognito) and ublock origin, and umatrix, full script blocking, and probably prayers on tor's level.

what incognito does is it breaks apart your chain of regular cookies. those can still slip through a lot of these tools, especially when they're first-party, but they're also kinda low-tech because of being first party most of the time (while the third party ones are easily blocked by other tools). that way the trace you leave behind is not one long thing, but many small ones that are hard to connect.

incognito is just one layer of defense but it's an important one

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[–] spiderman@ani.social 3 points 1 year ago

What would you use for apps like discord and whatsapp?

yeah, well my phone might have it, but phones and other gadgets around me are still listening. ad they can track who is with who, so surely these measures aren't fool proof. if these measures were adopted universally it will be most effective, but unfortunately it is not.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NGL this is driving me crazy. Without searching for things, just talking about them, they start showing up in ads. Even in places that don't have google/alexa speakers.

At this point, I'm reaching full-tinfoil and think they have a voice chip installed under my skinl...

[–] MIDIthrKID@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One time I was in a car with some people, and the clouds looked really nice, and out loud I said "I wonder what kind of clouds those are? Are they like cumulus? I don't even know all the types of clouds" or something along those lines. About a minute later, I take my phone out to look it up and I type "What kind of" and the google auto-fill was "clouds are those" and I was like "There's absolutely no way that my phone is not listening to me at all times. I do not believe for one second that the most popular search is "What kind of clouds are those". That was very very specific to what I had just said out loud.

I'm usually not one for tinfoil hats, but this is very difficult to explain.

[–] Eabryt@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most likely situation is that it used the GPS data that it scrapes from you to recognize you're in a car. Then uses their internal knowledge to know that most of the time when other users are in cars and Google "what kind of" they are asking about clouds.

Still hoovering up way too much personal data.

[–] RushingSquirrel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or that people around had already been googling this question very recently.

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[–] FarFarAway@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I remember somewhere, I believe it was the congressional hearings where they called all the heads of the biggest companies to testify for something...a couple years ago...when Bozos refused to show.

Well, anyways, a congressman asked Zuckerberg why this happens because he doesn't appreciate them listening, through his phone microphone, to conversations hes having. Zuck replies that the algorithm knows you so well, that it pretty much predicts what your going to say at the exact time you say it...were definitely not listening to you from your phone speaker, he says, thats technology we just dont have.

Or something to that effect. 🤨

[–] RushingSquirrel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are always a lot of reasons to see what we see on ads and suggestions without them having to listen to us. Try to do the test and talk about something completely random to you around your phone. Chances are you'll never get ads about it.
The algorithms are based on so many criterias and are so freaking good that it seems like the simplest answer is to listen to us. But with GPS, relationships, history, habits, emails/sms/messages, etc. it can be freaky how good the predictions can be. They are already "listening" in so many ways that are cheap to do, constant audio streaming is absolutely not cheap and not required.

[–] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Way too many people in this thread need to read up on cognitive biases. Frequency illusion would be a good place to start.

I once stopped in a gas station to get coffee, and instead of using brand names to refer to the sweetener, they used the colors: "yellow sweetener" for splenda, "blue sweetener" for equal, etc. It was weird to me, so I noticed. Later that day, I was on my flight and ordered coffee, and the flight attendant offered the sweetener using the same color coding instead of brand names. Weird, right? Then after I got to my destination, at the hotel, same thing!

The only logical conclusion isn't that our brains are wierd and stuff like this happens as a result of the way we categorize and remember information, but instead that I am in a Meta simulation and Zuckerberg is reading my thoughts.

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[–] Devolus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Similar story with me. In my car with my friends. I have never listened to Bob Marley, nor his genre of music. I have never had a reason to look him up. Anyways, through or random conversations, we got to talking about him and wondering how he died. We came up with a few theories before I decided to grab my phone and Google it. I literally just pressed ‘H’ and wouldn’t you know it, the first suggestion was “How did Bob Marley die?” Needless to say I was creeped the fuck out after that

[–] Louisoix@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Also apple watching through the window and having "exclusive" rights to sell the same data.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I just did some volunteer work to help some flood wreckage.

We were using these generic ass storage totes to package shit up in and help people move out or whatever.

Me and like 5 other people all had ads for the generic totes.

I figure it was like "YO THAT GUY THAT BOUGHT 100,000 TOTES IS HANGING OUT WITH THESE GUYS, MAYBE THEY WANT 100,000 TOTES TOO??!

anyways welcome to the future it sucks.

[–] Misconduct@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I like how I bought a vacuum months ago and everything keeps advertising them at me. I already got one! How many damn vacuums do you people think someone needs? Because the answer is almost never more than one. If they're collecting my data they should also be well aware that there's no way in hell I'm dropping $1k on a Dyson lmao

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[–] starman@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I'm glad we meet here, on the fediverse 👍

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Wasting multiple options by repeating both companies twice...

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

One time a buddy and I were talking about cars, a Toyota supra came up. I haven't said that phrase since gran Turismo in the 90s. Ad the next day

[–] DaCrazyJamez@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I periodically say random product names or search for things id have no use for just to see how far and wide it goes....it's bad.

[–] june@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s a good point. She popped up after she changed my contact info to my new name, which I updated on FB a few weeks ago.

Though it did happen with another girl I was talking to last year and haven’t talked to since.

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