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[–] Strangle@lemmy.world 168 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

This is very sad, and preventable.

Reading the article it sounds like this woman unfortunately just spent too much time on social media reading all the doom and gloom of the media and people amplifying it in places like reddit, Twitter and Facebook.

wanted to live in a land disconnected from the world, which she viewed as chaotic and dangerous

she and her teenage son could be happy and safe away from the news, the viruses, the politics of modern-day America

had been “discouraged with the state of the world”

Rebecca Vance’s fears intensified during the pandemic

Consuming too much of this crap has really affected peoples mental health, from Trump, to BLM riots, racism, covid, it’s broken some people who spend too much time on social media.

So much so that they think the only way out is to hide away from society.

Reminder, friends, to take frequent and extensive breaks from social media for your own mental health.

[–] BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 year ago

The teenager — whom Jara described as a smart and caring son who had been a “mama’s boy” and had been home-schooled

The only food found at their shelter was a single package of ramen

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Please, I knew people who were exactly the same back in the 90s, there are always people who go down the paranoia rabbit hole and don't come back out.

Lot of them were praying for the collapse because that's when God would raise them above the wicked heathens and sodomites because they're secretly special but everyone else is too evil to admit it.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article said the poor kid was homeschooled, which is often a hallmark of religious fundamentalism. Not trusting the world and thinking it's out to get you is also a hallmark of fundamentalism - but also of mental illness.

She's from Colorado Springs (massive conservative area) and she became concerned about the world and wanted to live off the grid in 2022 (when Trump lost). The writer of this article sure does beat around the bush and struggles not to say whether she was a right wing nut.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The BLM "riots" were 99% protests where the only violence was on the part of the cops harassing protesters.

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[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can't lump in blm riots in there, those were protests stoked to violence by police officers, so what you should be saying it's, corrupt police forces resulting in blm protests

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[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Not reading Twitter has a tangible impact on my anxiety. You can feel it rise when I used it, fell away when I stopped.

I haven't used Facebook in almost 2 years now and it's so nice

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 88 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I hate how people talk about off grid living as something you can pull off alone, that's difficult even if you allow for buying food and installing all kinds of fancy infrastructure in your home.

The truth is that properly sustainable and reliable off-grid living requires a small community, because you need a lot of labour.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Right? Living off grid used to be called being banished by your tribe and it was basically a death sentence.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Other people are annoying as fuck, but I recognize I need them to live.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You nailed it. And these folks were simply living off canned food and ramen... For how long?

Communal living is great if you get the right mix of people with a shared vision... In the right location... With the right resources... To be successful it seems you need to have a pretty organic evolution of the process and attract people with shared vision. The dark side of this devolves into cultism; the brighter side is a sustainable living and sense of belonging.

Now there are people who live off the grid in places like Alaska (just watch Life Below Zero) and do it successfully... But these people grew up doing that or studied and prepared A LOT. And man, doing that solo is not easy. None of them seemed to be super healthy or cheerful.

[–] stu@lemmy.pit.ninja 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Somebody read Little House on the Prairie once and said, "I can do that!" I'm joking, but only slightly.

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[–] Cuttlefishcarl@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago (7 children)

What a terrible way to go. They sounded less prepared than even Chris McCandless.

I can't believe I'm recommending reality TV, but Alone is a fairly good representation of being alone in the wilderness with no resources. It is extremely unpleasant.

[–] coffeekomrade@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

I would guess a good portion of US adults, these days, have no idea how to survive away from modern convenience for any length of time

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[–] Zron@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (7 children)

How did they leave a car at a campsite for months and not have any kind of search and rescue triggered?

My buddy got lost on a trail once and had to do an shitty night out in the woods, the next morning there were forest service personnel out looking for him because they spotted his car parked overnight with no camp permit posted.

I thought this was standard practice at every national and state park. An unattended vehicle is seen as a sure sign that someone is in trouble. I guess I’m never going hiking in Colorado, cause if I get in trouble the CO forest personnel are apparently just going to leave me for dead.

[–] MarsAgainstVenus@fedimav.win 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's insane. Also, now I know where to go if I ever need to store my vehicle for extended periods of time!

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[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I feel like too many people do not respect nature. They romanticize it, and that’s a very dangerous thing. They forget that you need actual skills to survive in the wild. This didn’t have to happen.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That has gotten worse with all the "survivalist" shows acting like its easy to survive with just a knife and fig leaf in the wild.

They see a show grab some gear and off they go. Not realizing those shows are often fake and when not, the star has many years of actual experience and training.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm a huge fan of Alone, but would never in a million years think I could do it. Those people are literally survival teachers or Bushmen/women who have done this their entire lives and even then only make it 20 or so days before calling to gtfo.

This is incredibly sad.

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[–] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Into the Wild was a cautionary tail that for some reason people romanticize...

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[–] malcriada_lala@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I wish people would realize that humans only got to where we are because we are a COMMUNAL species. We developed complex language and tool usage BECAUSE we work together. Being "off the grid" is usually isolationist and therefore extremely dangerous. We need community in order to develop and manage the resources we need to survive.

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

First rule of the Rocky's, don't camp / hike outside in the winter, you will not survive.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even with a well-stocked cabin, the cold alone will sap your energy and kill you slowly.

Trying to survive it in a tent isn't mere ignorance, it's outright stupidity.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I just feel bad for the kid. Mom wanted to get off the grid but Colorado has a history of killing those who try it without a lot of money and infrastructure to support it. Go off the grid in like South Carolina, not Colorado.

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[–] A_A@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Believe in many stupid trending ideas and you will end up killing yourself and your family. This is not the first time and it will happen again.

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[–] sagrotan@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I understand many people are frightened in this strange world, but this is outright murder-suicide by stupidity. The kid didn't know what's happening to him. Don't run away, change the world. Or -at least- try to.

[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I feel for the kid, who got dragged down by the hubris of his mom. It's troubling that we've grown so disconnected from the world we've built; we dont feel like we benefit from it at all. We can all sit here and shame this mother for being neglectful and stupid, and yet the feelings she had of a chaotic life with no upside...that's so fucking common right now.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'd say they increased their distress, they were naive too. Living off the land is a major commitment and requires skill and knowledge. People in the past still used trade and tribes to survive that way. Even back then they didn't try to live in something as flimsy as a tent. Also, going 100% solo was a death sentence. Reminds me of Chris McCandless ("Into the Wild").

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sounds tough. I dont even know how to find and catch wild ramens.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

...the whole family?

Like, one didn't die and the rest of them didn't go "hmm this isn't a good idea..."???

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like Humans don't understand how fragile we are

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[–] popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they had read a few more books on survival, this would have been prevented.

Usually those books tell you that you need provisions through winter and if you don't, you need to get those provisions from someplace.

Nobody typically lives 100% off the grid the first year or more unless they're a super expert.

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[–] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Once I watched a season of alone I dropped all illusions about running into the woods to live the naturalist life.

If anyone is thinking "lol I could do that" just watch alone, it is HARD out there in the wilds.

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