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[–] philluminati@lemmy.ml 148 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shout-out to Librewolf as well (basically Firefox with better privacy focused configs).

People don't care enough about using browsers that reduce Google's influence on web standards (i.e. non chrome-based browsers)

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

IME, big momentous events are actually continuous transitions that we only notice in a drastic moment.

This whole chrome thing has been building to this for ages. So beyond using Firefox, there’s also some basic principles that need to be formulated and distributed as β€œit’s free because you’re the product” is now … not to mention breaking up monopolies.

[–] jackfrost@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

And an alternate email service like ProtonMail.

They also have ProtonDrive as an alternative to Google Drive. Apple's iCloud is also end-to-end encrypted now. pCloud is another popular option. There are a number of choices for secure cloud storage these days.

Web search is a bit more difficult. DuckDuckGo is heavily integrated with Bing. Brave Search is hit-or-miss. Yahoo is just a front-end for Bing.

If you need live document collaboration, you're probably already in a setting where either Sharepoint or GSuite are mandated. If you're not, BitAI may be worth looking into.

[–] claycle@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All great advice, but I personally cannot urge people towards pCloud. I have one of the permanent tiers, but I found the service frustratingly buggy and, when contacted, support was rude and unhelpful. There are so many little odd limitations on the pCloud file system it was frustrating. I also worry that their buy-once business model is not sustainable.

Sync.com provides an even more secure service (zero-knowledge across the board) with similar (better than US anyway) privacy protections in the host country (Canada) that has been, so far for 2 years of use, rock solid (I couldn't go a week without pCloud farting out some error). The subscription model is affordable and generous and the customer-facing pages for sharing files are very professional looking (important to me, because I professionally share files and pCloud looked like a hobbyist page in this regard AND leaked private information).

EDIT: Regarding iCloud. Not only is iCloud end-to-end, but you may turn on zero-knowledge encryption now, as well (Advanced Data Protection I think is what they call it) so that Apple doesn't even have the keys to decrypt your data, making it quite similar to sync.com now.

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[–] persolb@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am confused by why everyone thinks this is a big threat?

What stops the FOSS community from just continuing to allow ad blockers and other webpage editing features?

[–] fluffman86@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the web is DRM'd in a way that requires chrome or windows then it could be difficult to bypass.

I remember the days of, "sorry, you must use Internet Explorer to use this website" when visiting my bank.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

I remember that government sites were the same way it was frustrating.

[–] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

DRM is already applied for certain content in websites such as Netflix, etc, and it makes it waaaay harder to bypass.

For example, Netflix (and the others) use DRM to block Linux computers from higher quality content. Why? I guess "hackers" and "think of the children". Truth is... content is already pirated from the second it gets released on any of these platforms... so they are not really fixing anything... I guess they really want you to use a tracking OS.

Imagine this kind of system but for an entire website. Big companies imposing their devices and software as the only way to access a website... which is really just HTML and Javascript files, entirely platform agnostic... but who cares? They are struggling for money so they are squeezing every little possibility.

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[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It's a big threat because once it's easy to block unapproved browsers, lots of people will do it. Yeah, there will always be a few weirdos like us that don't enable it, but just imagine when it's your bank, your insurance company, your government, and most every linked-to page on Lemmy. You'll be forced to use Chrome to interact with large parts of the internet then.

[–] IanAtCambio@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

netflix on linux firefox comes to mind. Just changing the useragent shows that it's not a technical problem.

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[–] haroldstork@lemm.ee 92 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Stop supporting those who intend to close it.

[–] donut4ever@lemm.ee 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As many people as ~~people~~ possible need to use Firefox.

[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Twice in the past few months I came across a site that would not work with Firefox. The other time it actually did work, but said that it recommends chrome to function properly.

The first one was a local government form that would not let me select boxes, but chrome worked without any problems.

The second was some 3d game or something like that.

[–] donut4ever@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's a random site, then fuck it, I'll just not visit it again. That's their issue, not mine. If it is something important, I'd try changing the user agent. That works most of the time.

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[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

Look into user agent extensions for Firefox. Sometimes tricking a website into thinking you're using chrome is enough to get the site to work.

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Could you maybe still go back and find those links? I use FF for well over 10 years now. And I would say, the amount of websites that do not work, are less than one a year. The only reason are really bleeding edge css filter or MediaDevice instantiations (Webcam, etc.). Video, JS, and HTML is nearly Browser agnostic by this time. I would love to see those non working firefox websites everybody always talks about.

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[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is one of the reasons to use FF. I know it can be a bit inconvenient, but these sites don't care about optimizing for anything but Chrome because it has such a huge market share.

And you can keep a second browser installed for the few times this happens, e.g. Chromium or Brave. Also an addon to change your user-agent string for a website works 90% of the time.

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[–] Sentinian@lemmy.one 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sticking to FOSS and decentralized apps as much as possible. And using less invasive apps like Firefox over chrome. Be willing to jump shit when corporate throws in bullshit if you have to use something closed.

This is the only way to slow the spread of enshittification around the web. It will be less convenient for the end user, but ultimately it's the only way to stop big companies from fucking the web

[–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not the only way tho. You can also get politically active about it, pressure your representatives into signing legislation in favor of the open web or even join a party or an organization and become the representative yourself and change it from the inside if you can.

Let's stop pretending individual actions are the only thing we can do to stop corporations, that's how they win. We need to act politically.

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[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] tibi@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Alphabet needs to be broken up, same as Microsoft and Apple and Amazon. The consolidation of tech into a few giant corporations that have a tremendous amount of power and hold a monopoly/duopoly is doing a lot of harm.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it probably won't be, if we're being honest.

That's why we need to take matters into our own hands and refuse to use their services and support FOSS with all our efforts. The government ain't gonna do shit, this is a DIY project to save the open internet.

[–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Activism exists for a reason. This isn't a DIY project, this is one that needs people to be more vocal and active so that governments do something about it.

The EU didn't start regulating apple & co because it woke up one day and felt like doing it, it did so because activists and people pressured them to do so or joined the world of politics to fix these issues.

The solution isn't to tackle it individually, that's how the corporations win, it's to get politically involved in whichever way we can and want to and tackle it as a group.

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[–] WeAreAllOne@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

Support financially FOSS developers. And stop using corporate shit.

[–] Speiser0@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] minimar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been running the entire internet in my browser for 20 years. If I ever close this window, the entire internet will explode.

[–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Hey could you press alt+F4 to make my internet faster please?

[–] gon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Our saviour, the last bastion.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Start replacing your Google and Microsoft products and services with alternatives, bit by bit. Begin by switching to Firefox for the browser.

[–] heyfrancis@mastodon.social 5 points 1 year ago

@floofloof already using firefox to reply here from my mastodon to lemmy post. But definitely this is not enough.

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[–] ozoned@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Use tech and services outside the big tech. Just Fedi over standard social. Use Peertube instead of Youtube.

Run Firefox.

Set up your own servers for yourself or start a community. Matrix, Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.

Run SearXNG as your search or help others by hosting.

If you can work of free and open source code that helps decentralize and give the power back to the people or create something new. Even if you can code, learning a project and helping others with it or helping create docs, etc.

Spread the word, but don't be annoying. Help less technical folks get decentralized.

It's very difficult and can be disheartening, but you don't have to cold turkey all of it. Each drip in the bucket helps until we're all united and become a tidal wave.

When all the power is centralized that's when those central players think they can do whatever they want.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We really ought to just fork the internet. Break away from big tech completely. Use a different protocol than https if we have to.

[–] Ekis@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think a good first step is to use free and open-source, non-profit alternatives (Firefox, Lemmy, Mastodon, Matrix, etc). The next is to help grow these technologies by contributing to their development. You can contribute by fixing bugs, translating text, or just donating money.

It will take a while for most people but try to DeGoogle, DeMicrosoft, and DeApple your life. It's quite liberating to not be tied to any of these company's DRM, policies or rules.

[–] Anonymouse@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a lot of good comments and suggestions, but the one that I'm not seeing is, "tell others".

Do you perform support for friends and family members? Explain why it's not in their best interest to use Chrome (and Google products in general), then ask and help them to install and use alternatives.

Have a laypersons response to why they should avoid Google for that person you're chatting with on the bus. Have a response ready to the awful, "but I don't have anything to hide" counterargument. As an aside, being the tin foil hat wearing guy/gal doesn't help the cause, explain it in plain language.

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[–] selawdivad@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Use RSS. Find good independent blogs which meet your standards of good open web content and subscribe to them. Some places to look:

Also, start your own website/blog and link to other websites and blogs.

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[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Create good content and post it on a free platform. Also give it a permissive license.

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[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I always wonder… can a truly open and free new internet be built? What would be the options in doing something like this? Maybe running on existing hardware (fibre, towers etc.) to a certain extent…

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[–] Im28xwa@lemdro.id 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just like everyone else said spread the word and de google, Microsoft, apple, etc... your life

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