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Like, why is it so widespread, what causes it, what solutions are available, etc. I don't really know how to ask this question so I hope I'm making sense

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[–] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 26 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Patriarchy harms and isolates men first so that they become the monsters that women fear.

The same way women are expected to look and act a certain way, so is for men, with different criteria.

Not by people per se, but by a sort of cultural subconscious, like a chaos creature from warhammer it exists because people believe in it, not necessarily because they agree with it. Everyone fears it, so most comply.

That's why it is so important to destroy the social gender binary, the idea that we all neatly fit in well defined labels that apply to our body and mind. It's just complete bullshit and internalizing it is one of the many ways this system traps us in its oppression

[–] essell@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely agree.

One of the ways we've gone wrong so far is that people do need some guidance at least on what is possible and acceptable.

Just saying to young people "Be whatever you want to be" is unhelpful and confusing.

Role models of all kinds and representation matter so people who are figuring these things out as they grow have inspiration, ideas, can see who they are reflected in the world around them so they can put a name to the feeling.

If we can do that without shaming, blaming or excluding then people can find their way without the need of gender binary.

Caveat, not everyone is a suitable role model. Some people are warnings, not examples.

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Male loneliness is likely partially due to the same reason we are all here; this online outlet for social endorphins is why you were not building up a deficit over the last week and felt the motivation to finally call that person you were thinking about this whole time. That person was a passing thought, and the endorphins hit you might have received is ultimately less than you got from the austere but consistent dose you get from social engagement online.

The only problem is that you are not creating a meaningful personal social network in real life. When you really need such a network in practice, you face the reality of no one to turn to, or less depth and meaning to such connections. Real people are also complex and you must face the reality that no one fits your echo chamber bubble like a place like this. If you act like a down vote or stupid hot take comes across here to people in the real world... you find yourself back here with less options in the future.

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago (9 children)

There are multiple reasons for this. First of all due to the fact that a lot of infrastructure is based around cars society actively looses places for people to meet and hang out(I think this effect even has a name, but I'm not sure). Lack of places to interact with other people, and therefore lack of social interactions, causes a rise in loneliness. Then theres the problem with how men are supposed to act. We get told, that we shouldn't "ask out" women in every day life, since its now considered creepy. For me this causes a certain type of being not sure where and when it is OK to ask someone out leading to me not doing it since I don't want to get labeled as a creep. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to blame women for the male loneliness epidemic and there devinetively are a lot of men beeig creeps and asking someone out in absolutely the wrong situations, but this is something that needs to be said to understand the male loneliness epidemic. This also causes dating to take place online. Now the problem is, that online dating fucking sucks. Dating apps are useless, as long as you don't want to sell your kidney to them, since they want you to keep using it. If dating apps were somewhat usefull they'd be out pf buisness quite fast.

[–] Sybilvane@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

While I agree about third places, I think it's interesting that you then focused on dating.

Loneliness means lack of friendships and family ties as well. I think a lot of men are focused on dating, and even when they are in a relationship, they use that as their only source of socialization outside the workplace. A lot of the barriers that exist for one are true for the rest as well, it is hard to make friends nowadays as an adult! There are so many people that stop trying, and it isn't surprising.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

As is echoed a lot in this entire post of replies: therapy isn’t really mentioned here. And that might be a key when it comes to male mental and emotional health.

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think therapy helps as a remediation, but it’s not preventive nor does it fully solve the problem because ultimately it’s transactional and paying someone to listen is fully different from finding someone who listens to you that you also want to listen to.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Explain to me in actual words what a therapist is going to accomplish.

"Doctor doctor you've got to do something! Third spaces don't exist, there's no loitering signs everywhere you'll be arrested for standing around talking, everyone my age had kids and their lives fell off, bars charge $9.50 for an ounce of bourbon and expect a tip and they play Nickelback loud enough to be heard from the moon so I've just been sitting at home alone drinking diet soda and playing Subnautica over and over again and while I utterly love this game it's getting a little stale and Below Zero isn't...good at all? So I guess I'm a little bored."

"...Here's a prescription for an SSRI, that'll be $900."

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

For decades it has been ingrained in men that they are to be held to a very specific standard. Men don’t cry, men are strong, men have to take care of everyone else, stop your whining, I’ll give you something to cry about, be the alpha male, that’s “gay”, strength, weakness, and so on.

My father, and grandfather, both grew up with a code of silence. Feelings weren’t talked about, but relayed through their wives; except anger. That was given directly through corporal punishment (hand or belt).

I was always “emotional” growing up. I cried “like a baby” over “nothing”. No one ever came to check on me, or console me, during any of my “fits”. In fact, there were times I was ridiculed for it (sometimes by family members).

When I was 19 my grandmother died. I was really close with her; she was the only one who ever came to my aid and defended me. It tore me up so bad I could barely talk without breaking down. I was told multiple times that I shouldn’t be so upset, and that I was overreacting (by my family). Everything came to a head when all at once my cousins, aunts, uncles, and even brother yelled at me because I was being selfish and unreasonable, and insensitive to my grandfather because “he just lost his wife”.

Oh, and apologies are for “pussies”.

Anyway, it’s not really about me. I wanted to paint a picture for you as to why I’m lonely. Do with that what you will.

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