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[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 133 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

You think tesla is awful for this (they are) because elon is the current boogeyman but most if not all modern vehicles have eulas that reserve the right to save an obnoxious amount of data including images, voice recordings, routes driven, etc. you almost always have no way to opt out despite spending tens of thousands of dollars and almost all of them have absolutely horrible data security practices

It’s a serious concern already when it’s concerning vehicle telemetry and autonomous features like adaptive cruise control and automatic braking but they pretty much rely on imagery outside of the vehicle. That can and will of course pick up images of you. However an increasing number of cars are including facial recognition inside the cockpit to identify the driver, sold as a “comfort feature” for households where multiple users drive the same vehicle. The facial recognition IDs who is driving and will automatically set the seat, climate, etc. sounds fancy right? But they overwhelmingly reserve the right to store that data, absolutely will share it with law enforcement, and will sell it likely for advertising as well

The scummier manufacturers have eulas that say something along the lines of you give tacit consent to this by simply riding in the vehicle as a passenger. So your friend buys a nice new subaru, you have a conversation with them, and that data could be harvested, sold, shared with law enforcement, etc, solely because you were stupid enough to accept a ride. You were never presented with an eula, you were never given a chance to give informed consent, but it doesn’t fucking matter to Subaru, apparently (who also does the facial recognition thing)

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I recall Nissan reserving the right to sell info on your sexual orientation in one of their EULAs. Ridiculous and dystopian

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hangin' out the passenger side

Of his best friend's ride

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 17 points 1 month ago

Tryin' to holla at me

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

That will be very illegal in some European countries, no EULA is going to save you from the law

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Get yourself a Chinese car to escape 14Eyes and embrace the CCPyware

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It's better than having your data in American servers where they can do the most damage.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

Thank goodness data collection companies would never sell or share data with each other

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[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

And, sadly, according to Mozilla's report Subaru isn't even the worst! And, not in their defense, but the facial recognition stuff was a driver facing camera so it wouldn't be facing the passenger... Always watching your friend though!

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[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 106 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's no secret that Tesla has full access to telemetry and videos taken by Tesla cars. If you buy one, your only hope is that your footage is not interesting enough to be watched by Tesla employees. I remember reading a story about Tesla employees having internal memes made of footage that showed people captured by Tesla's surveillance in various (mostly unflattering) situations.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

All the cameras/video/telemetry etc is like HR.

It's not to help you.

I'm feeling sick!

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I have a vinyl cutter, can anybody tell my the diameters and quantities of the cameras on these cars? I’d like to start making and selling stickers to cover over them all.

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Covering it wouldn't work unless you're trying to cover other people's camera without their knowledge at what point you could just use spray paint. The cameras are integrated into everything from blind spot alerts and cruise control and will constantly notify the driver if it's covered (even if it's dirty or in pitch black and the camera thinks it's covered).

[–] Nonononoki@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago
  1. Place your naked kid I front of a Tesla camera
  2. Sue Tesla for CP
  3. ???
  4. Profit
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[–] Juigi@lemm.ee 69 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In the system your country created rich control everything. Illusion of freedom is strong.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think it was Carlin who had a bit about the choices at the grocery store are a distraction from the lack of choices at the voting booth. I can get 15 types of corn flakes but only 2 sides of the same party.

[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And there are 1-2 actual parent companies selling those corn flakes

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[–] Green_FieldS@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

This reminds me of the movie upgrade :/

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago (2 children)

answer: The target demographic of the car does not believe in privacy

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

They want everyone to know who they are and what they are doing at all times, and they have no sense of shame when they should.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Until someone is suspected of a crime, and subjected to a warrantless search when the feds ask Elmo for that data and receive it. Sure there's not a lot of overlap between Tesla owners and petty crime but I'm willing to bet there IS a lot of overlap between Tesla owners and guys growing pot in their garage.

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[–] Blackout@fedia.io 62 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Everybody laughed when China put cameras everywhere and gave their citizens a social score to maintain. It's coming here. The bill of rights have no power when the ruling party chooses to ignore them.

[–] NeatoBuilds@mander.xyz 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's been here, trumps original supporter peter tiel created palantir back when still working at paypal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago

My favorite part of the Palantir story is that everyone who gets to use it, without exception, immediately uses it to monitor their coworkers, family and ex partners.

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What do you think a credit score is exactly

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's measures your compliance with the banking industry. No bearing on how well you treat others.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is used to vet where you're allowed to live.

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[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Credit score doesn't care if you're buying Bad Dragon dildos, just that you pay for them.

Credit score doesn't care if you want a lifted Cummins diesel or a Smart Fortwo, just that you pay for it.

On the flip side, social credit cares if you use your blinker or not... So, which one is worse?

They both are but let's move past that.

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

That's where it started, but a social score can ding you for not smiling while crossing the street.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean it sounds like it could be video from the charging facility but what the actual fuck they can unlock your car.

And yeah y'know what I bet they can get the video. Dear God why would anyone buy a Tesla

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

but what the actual fuck they can unlock your car.

Unfortunately, any car that has an 'app' where you can unlock your car... They can unlock your car. Whether or not you use or have the app. This includes onstar and all the rest

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The capability I'm not against. It is nice that when the kid/dog locks the door or you lose your keys or whatever you don't have to wait for someone to show up. Car keys/locks aren't all that secure either. It should all be local PKI over bluetooth or something, but that's another discussion, and even then an override if your phone/key gets lost/corrupted would be necessary.

The legal framework for if/when it's fine to get a locksmith or break a window to get into a vehicle is pretty well established. Like a lot of other things the law for remote unlocking is lagging far behind tech.

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[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I mean it sounds like it could be video from the charging facility

I mean that's what I assumed. I can't imagine a reason one would want a camera watching you charge - like that's an expense for little if any benefit. And if it was charged at a charging station owned by Tesla, I would be shocked if there wasn't camera footage or if Tesla didn't have access to it.

but what the actual fuck they can unlock your car.

I would imagine any car with keyless entry can be unlocked by the manufacturer if they have your VIN. They build the system and pair the keyfobs and locks, they're bound to have that ability in case something happens to your keys.

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[–] rem26_art@fedia.io 37 points 1 month ago

On the third one, looking through the Cybertruck's manual, there's a bit about data sharing in regards to the car's cameras to where the car can send its camera data to Tesla if it detects an accident or some kind of incident.

These cars have a few different scenarios in which they'll just sit there and record their surroundings. As far as I can tell, it normally saves that locally, but I guess it has the ability to send it back to Tesla. All of their cars creep me out

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 36 points 1 month ago

Imagine your car bursts into flames, and as you are going for the door, it locks up and you hear: "I'm sorry, but I can't do that, Elon".

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Having security cameras at the un-manned charging stations doesn't seem unreasonable to me? Surely this is pretty standard to prevent/catch vandalism.

The other stuff, might be a valid explanation but since it's tesla probably not.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The question is if it was security camera footage from the facility or from the cybertruck itself. One is fine, one clearly is not.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

it's the first one (that i know of), however musk also said that telemetry looked normal until it burned, which is not fine in any sensible way

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

It is not. Unfortunately seems if you don't like it, your only options are a decade old car or a bike.

https://electrek.co/2024/12/30/massive-data-leak-at-volkswagen-exposes-800000-ev-drivers/

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[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The in-car footage of the driver is for insurance reasons. If the Autopilot crashes, the footage will show that the driver was not paying attention or did not have the hands on the wheel, therefore it's not teslas but the drivers fault.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

The in-car footage of the driver is for ~~insurance~~ liability reasons.

Ftfy

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[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The question is why does Elon have access to it?

Perhaps "Elon helped" is Musk-washing "Elon put us in contact with the folks who could get us access to those videos". But that manbaby likes getting his clammy grabbers in the mix, so I wouldn't be surprised if he personally demanded access and handed it over.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Remember when Angela Chao was caught locked in a submerged TESLA for hours and died ?

I wonder if Elon can account for that ? What was he doing during that "accident" ?

She was the sister-in-law of Mitch McConnell.

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i dont care who opens it. this is not the first story I hear about it locking upon catching fire

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's how it keeps the fire inside

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago

Tesla trying to apply the trolley problem to the Three Laws of Robotics.

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