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firstly happy new year for all.

I need to start use Matrix to talk with my biggest friends and colleagues of my university, but i read is good not create an account on matrix.org and create an account in others public servers , to not centralize the matrix protocol. My question is if anyone has a good experience with others public servers, besides matrix.org. Any tip or advice?

I found this servers on joinmatrix with longstanding: https://tchncs.de/en/matrix | https://syscom.utwente.io/info/matrix/homeserver/ | https://matrix-help.envs.net/ | https://tedomum.net/service/matrix/ | https://rollenspiel.chat/ ...

Which one should i choose, any tip?

TYIA

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[–] smee@sosial.link 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

tchncs.de runs their own lemmy server along with many other services, at least they seem serious.

[–] Dungrad@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://www.process-one.net/blog/matrix-gateway-setup-with-ejabberd/

I went the other way hosting a gateway from XMPP to hopefully avoid Matrix when possible

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It is de facto centralized around Matrix.org & the servers they run, which was originally funded by Israeli Intelligence so who knows what they are doing with all the metadata flowing to a single cluster of servers. Also using the eventual consistency model like a blockchain duplicating all data between all nodes while resilient is incredibly wasteful on storage & RAM. The costs are so high, most medium-sized servers with open sign-ups needed to shutdown due to storage costs & scaling up a node costing too many extra resource for CPU/RAM. There also wasn’t anything lacking about the prior artsβ€”but open source & startup like to reinvent more things than they should.

Ejabberd, which I mentioned, can run nodes with 2 million simultaneous connections per node & run on meager hardware in comparison with an extra decade of stability / battle testing.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Matrix.org & the servers they run, which was originally funded by Israeli Intelligence

Can you elaborate on this? The only connection I was able to find to Israel at all is that the British people who originally created the protocol worked for an American company (amdocs) that was founded in Israel in 1982, but bought out in 1985 long before Matrix was developed. Furthermore, Amdocs hasn't funded the development of Matrix since 2017 and the current Matrix.org foundation is based in the UK.

Wikipedia: Amdocs, Matrix

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What about Bridging ? (That's a great feature for a chat-technology to have & I'm gonna defend this to the death)

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was called gateway by all sorts of tech til last generation decided to rename the old concept?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So....... XMPP has Bridging capabilities, apparently ? Then that's amazing

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I use a Matrix gateway thru my XMPP server, but they warn you on how expensive it will cost to run

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

So...... XMPP by itself Doesn't have Bridging then ?

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago

In XMPP everything is an extension (XEP)

Some can be baked into a server, others use external tools like Slidge or Biboumi

[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

It also seems to perform snappier than the main matrix instance

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

I joined through them because of that. They seem to know their poo-poo.