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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I love how the article posts a picture of Harris right next to the headline. As if anyone even wonders where the blame was going to go. Even Biden himself is getting in on it with his, "I could have beaten trump if I'd run" shtick. It just makes the neolibs look even more ridiculously out of touch than they already did.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In my view: the Dems started to see how popular progressive stances were, but their donors didn't like it. That's why Bernie got shut down despite winning primaries.

This same logic has continued until now. Follow the money. Pelosi and other hardline Dems are bought and sold.

The way forward is for the Dems to abandon the dinosaurs and embrace the progressive coalition. Focus on bringing in other progressives. NB: most who claim to be progressive in the party currently are, at best, centrists who don't really know where the goalpost is.

The Dems will not win another election until they choose people over money. I am fully aware that means they just might not win again.

Populism is powerful, and despite Trump being 100% about the money, he has harnessed the power of populism.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

They don't want to win, because their underdog status nets them even more donations.

They will certainly keep losing using their same playbook; the key to any change will be cutting them off from the free funding they get from people rightfully terrified of the GOP. In other words, there is NO party that currently represents, or looks out for the average American citizen in today's America.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I know who will lose... everybody else.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

There kind of is no "everyone else". American citizens have nearly zero power in their own government. They will do what they are told, and American politicians will do whatever they are paid to do.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 4 days ago

Republicans.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago

People vote for change. "Nothing will fundamentally change" is not a winning strategy. People will argue about WHAT to change, but supporting the status quo is nevertheless a loosing strategy.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But she ran a perfect campaign, you guys. /s

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

clearly so since there's no way that framing all constructive criticism as russian bots; chinese useful idiots; and tankie circe jerks could backfire and is absolutely the correct way to "big tent coalition build" your way to an easy election victory over a deeply unpopular racist, sexist, homophobic oligarchically unapologetic candidate.

he's so unpopular that you could probably also say goulish shit like "genocide can be gentle and justified; just wait" or "it's sometimes okay to disintegrate refugee/immigrant family" and still win. hell! they'll probably even start voting for you instead of that other guy if you do say this. lol

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

an easy election victory over a deeply unpopular racist, sexist, homophobic oligarchically unapologetic candidate.

hate to be the one to break it too you, but that candidate is far from deeply unpopular, it's just factually not true.

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Come get my vote", and they offer nothing. So they don't get my vote. Quite simple.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

"Logic" like that gave us Trump. Any damage he does is just as much your fault as it is people who voted for him.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

"fault" is about as useful a concept as kharma points on an anonymous website.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

'Logic' like you just posted is what gave us Trump.

A political parties job is to win elections.

If you know a significant percentage of the population thinks like the person you responded to, and you don't do anything to win their votes, then you are intentionally trying to lose as effectively as if you worked for the Trump campaign.

It gave us Trump twice, after all.

You know what didn't? Promising people shit.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A citizens job is to vote for the best available option. They failed in their basic responsibilities.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Is an opinion held by people who want to lose an election, and would rather lose than have to entertain a single bit of constructive criticism.

Thanks for Trump. You should be ashamed of having such a short term viewpoint that got us Trump.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The only people that got us Trump are the people who actively didn't prevent him from winning, i.e. everyone who didn't vote for Harris.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No. It's the campaign consultants that drove a failed strategy based on tacking to the right, and people like you that try to protect those consultants jobs by shaming others.

Saying politicians have to earn votes is not a moral statement in the same way that saying the sun rises in the east isn't.

It is a statement of fact about the game board that politicians play on. Complaining about that is useless for actually winning. It just serves to protect those that failed you. ie the DNC's campaign team.

EDIT: What does your view give you? A brief moment of self-righteous joy, with no improved chances of winning. You think trying to shame people you want something from will get them to give it to?

Or do you think treating the people you require something from as a power bloc that has concessions made to it is more likely to get you what you want?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Look at elections around the world. Incumbents are losing everywhere because they are being blamed for the economy. That's it. That is the only reason Democrats lost. There is literally nothing they could have done to change that.

Years of Covid fucked the global economy and it will take years to heal that damage. Prices will NEVER return to what they were pre-Covid. That is the reality and people can't handle it. I'm not defending the Democrats, I'm defending reality.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Gee.... I guess the ongoing genocide the Democratic party is complicit in committing had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Nor the undemocratic primary selection of a geriatric without the ability to even debate that the the DNC knew was going senile back in '21 per their own leaked internal reports.

Nor was it the undemocratic selection of the person that ran a campaign around getting the support of fucking Dick Cheney, and said she didn't disagree with a single policy decision of the afore mentioned senile old man.

No. It was the economy. The economy that was good as the entire DNC tried to continuously tell us, going so far as to call it the Biden recovery.

And the DNC has no responsibility for the economy. They certainly didn't end every single very popular Covid era program and raise the interest rates so quickly, even though most of the inflation was provably mostly (more then 50%) from collusion of companies raising their prices. They even bragged about it during shareholder calls.

Your comment is so pathetically uninformed it is ludicrous.

You aren't a responsible citizen, as you put it. A responsible citizen should be informed of current events to help them make the decision on who to vote for.

Go pedal your ignorant defense of the people that handed the election to Trump somewhere else.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Every one of your points is a right wing talking point or foreign propaganda. They in no way reflect what the population actually thinks.

It wouldn't matter if Biden personally flew a bomber over Gaza with Dick Cheney as his copilot and then shit his pants on live TV if he would have been able to magically drop gas, grocery, and housing prices by 30%. He would have won in a landslide.

Dems lost due to the economy. Full stop.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We tried to warn you. Centrists would rather lose to trump, lose democracy forever, and blame people who can read the writing on the wall than ever think of attempting to appeal to their base.