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Having tried all three, its a stark difference in how much more social Lemmy is comparatively. Its not even close. Almost all posts I've encountered on lemmy have interaction; whereas, more often than not, posts on the other two platforms have no interaction. Wonder what the driving factor is behind this difference?

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[–] DesertDwellingWeirdo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Microblog.... I just don't care about other people that much. Specific topics are more engaging and interesting.

[–] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i care about other people, specifically coders. They are my rock stars. And that's who i want to keep in touch with.

On mastodon, if have something up your sleeve others want to have access to you. I get access to certified, cuz whats that, geniuses. They have the repos, source code, and unittests to prove it!

On lemmy, not so much.

Or riddle me this, how to build relationships on lemmy?

You don't. I head back to Reddit personals for that.

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[–] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

mastodon is like an oasis in a sea of noise.

Concentrate on the signal, not the noise.

Build relationships with people you care about.

The problem with mastodon might turn out to be having a heart lacking in empathy. Need to be able to care enough to want to be associated with someone you admire.

We live amongst rock stars. How can anyone completely miss that?! The problem is neither the platform nor the rock stars.

Don't need a sea of people. Need 10 or 5 or 3. As long as they are rock stars. I count my blessings daily.

It's clearly how approach to using mastodon. Small tweak to your mindset and you can get alot out of the platform.

Dial up a super hero and tell them they are awesome.

Go to pypi

Find packages you like and their maintainers.

Hook up with them and tell them they are awesome, but found a few things that doesn't make sense in the docs. Whatever the approach. You are in!

Do it now.

It'll take all of 5 mins.

[–] oysterenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why are all your comments like poetry? I love that lmao

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The format is certainly more conducive to discussion. On the flip side though since communities reside in spaces and are moderated by individuals here, compared to the more 'broadcast' nature of using tags on Mastodon, you end up with some really bad echo chambers on Lemmy. Just a quick look at a basic news community between instances will show a massive slant depending who runs it. With Mastodon people talk more globally and the obnoxious ones just get blocked en-masse rather than so much being at a mod's whim.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

On the flip side though since communities reside in spaces and are moderated by individuals here, compared to the more β€˜broadcast’ nature of using tags on Mastodon, you end up with some really bad echo chambers on Lemmy

These are two sides of the same coin, one side you called community and the other side you called echo chamber. Whether a particular community/echo chamber is β€œbad” or β€œgood” is a matter of your interpretation.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To reword using more proper terms for the system, 'communities reside in instances'. A community called 'news' on .world's instance is a far different thing than on hexbear for example.

An echochamber is just a trait of a given community where any dissenting views from the home instance mods are reported and deleted. At least those actions are visible via the modlogs on here so it stays transparent though.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The problem with "free speech" instances is that it supports the dominant narrative, regardless of validity, and in many cases this results in far-right views being dominant as they aren't removed and everyone else leaves. This means some degree of "censorship" is required to run an instance. Further, everyone has a bias, so it's important to make that bias clear. The difference between news on .world and news on hexbear is liberal-domination or leftist domination in views.

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[–] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

tags?

do the research to track down exactly who to interacting with.

then what would be the use of tags? Force of habit. Something to do to pass the time?

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can follow tags for a while in Mastodon, that way you don't have to follow a specific person but more a topic.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

Hey, I don't come into your house and insult you by calling you social media! /s

I think, much like HN or early web forums, we're below the population level where personal attacks get unmanageable. On Reddit voicing a dissenting opinion would always get you dog piled and that makes people defensive and boring as shit.

People here are generally (some exceptions being pro life/choice which is a deeply toxic topic at this point and Gaza which has emotions extremely high) arguing in good faith and even if they're rough initially a lot of times I've appreciated back and forth threads since, even if there's still a disagreement, most people will genuinely work to remove stupid misunderstandings and try and understand who they're talking to.

Additionally, the mods on most communities are awesome and focus specifically on removing things like personal attacks without getting heavy handed in interventions.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The blog style format (post + threaded comments) is a lot more inviting to a conversational style than microblogging. Some Masto instances have very open post character counts but some are much more limiting - as are Bluesky and Xitter. If you're not able to explain your point clearly it hampers the ability to have a decent conversation about it.

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[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I still use Mastodon β€” as a place to dump intrusive thoughts more than anything β€” but there is this huge tension between people who want to chat with randoms, people who only want to chat with friends, and people who want to use it purely as a broadcast medium. The protocol/convention doesn't really allow for managing this issue, which is a shame, but I have come to the conclusion that microblogging is just kind of cursed as a medium. It's fundamentally all about building a personal brand, and if you have no social capital you are shit out of luck. And if you have too much, well, enter the reply guys.

Lemmy/the Reddit model on the other hand strikes a good balance between anonymity and being able to vet odd characters. Different people want different things ofc, and that's fine, but I find I have more fruitful conversations here than on Mastodon.

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[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don’t know but that image looks sick

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[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Concur. Love how lemmings bundle up and socialize!

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[–] radiofreearabia@freefree.ps 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@minyaen they do federate, they aren't competitors

posted from Mastodon

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I do have and use Mastodon. But more and more I keep thinking that traditional blogs + rss are a better fit for me.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What's the diff? I have a web site that functions like a traditional blog, offers RSS, but it's an ActivityPub application that participates in the Fediverse. Doesn't that describe every Mastodon-alike?

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 3 points 1 week ago

The thing about Mastodon is that you have to really heavily curate.

On Forum Blogs, like here, if you go to All, you will see articles, questions, images, and communities.

On Micro Blogs, like Mastodon, if you go to all you will see articles, but the rest will mostly be international thoughts of the day, some of which may be questions, non-sequitors, and images.

Not so much the communities, by default.

That doesn't mean that Mastodon/the like can't, you just have to curate it a bit more. I followed #Bloomscrolling and it brings tons of nature in my feed, it's lovely. But if you follow like, @GamingFeed it's just reposted content that looks for keywords -- my Helldivers 2 posts were being promoted but also random articles and posts from others. Somewhat useful for finding articles, but hollow because it's just a bot I'm certain.

I also find that while there are communities on mastodon, they're pretty niche so you end up limited to roughly the same things here, tech either hardware or software, gaming or relatives like figures, nature, or politics (though I've found Mastodon is fairly less political on a default account. Wasn't using it much though so I may have missed it entirely).

Meanwhile on Lemmy and the like, you pretty much just get shown communities. We all know ich_el or whatever that German meme one is, we all have passed by 196, that sort of thing doesn't appear on Mastodon so much.

That said, I do see mastodon accounts commenting on posts on Lemmy, so it's also possible to mix them. I will say, generally the mastodon comments do not go into as much thoughtful detail in response on these articles, but that could very well be an instance limitation (some have 40k characters, some have 500-2000).

So there are some fairly large differences and while they can technically accomplish the same thing, there can a bit of a cultural difference between the two formats. And as you probably know, default instances also can change this experience on both -- Solarpunk.moe is awesome and well moderated and is focused on solarpunk, mastodon.social is pretty large and chaotic. Lemmy is the same way, of course, slrpnk.net is fairly small compared to the major instances and the home feed reflects that

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Tbh I'm a lot more antisocial here

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