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Ie not vegan@lemmy.world.

Edit: I am going to try to start my own for now here https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/plantbased

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The entire "problem" with veganism is that almost anything which starts with such an inflexible moral imperative ends up becoming militant, specifically because that rigidity quickly becomes at odds with more practical and functional versions of the idea.

Like so many similar ethics, veganism doesn't really concern itself with creating a practical or actionable roadmap for how food supply chains can be iteratively modified towards the goal of reducing animal suffering. Militant moralists, in fact, tend to avoid such things specifically because they demand a framework of accountable progress. Demanding radical and unrealistic measures be taken, and then condemning those who express skepticism or hostility of this idea is much easier. Like a religion.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (3 children)

the entire problem with your comment is that you are using vague language and not defining your terms. as a result, you have presented unfalsifiable theory.

no one should believe anything you've written here.

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[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Eh, veganism is quite clear in that it doesn’t support the use of any animal products. If one doesn’t live by that fully everyday there is still benefit to doing it in part.

You’re also wrong about vegans not being concerned about supply chain ie how people get there food and how it affects people and animals.

There’s no problems with morals lol. Are you going to argue that not killing is like a religion?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There's a lot of ideas that I agree with, but that are made into a religion. I think it's because abstract ideals aren't very motivating on their own.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago

You can't think of any valid reason to kill?

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Joined/subscribed, but not vegan. I enjoy cooking and have started adding some vegan dishes to the rotation to learn some new cooking techniques on foods that I'm not familiar with cooking, like soy. I enjoy the new challenge. Also, I feel like there are probably health benefits. I'm particularly interested in awhile food based cheese substitutions. I found a fantastic vegan queso dip with 3 ingredients. The other stuff is good, too, but not really on my mind.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago

You're exactly the type of person that I welcome that I believe other communities would be rude to! :) I eat soy daily based on my cuisine so I will try to share some recipes. Can you share the vegan queso dip in a post maybe? Sounds good!

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I just want to say I love militant vegans, so long as militant means they are organized and actively creating the world they want to live in. if they are just preaching, I would not say they are militant, just evangelical.

and, to be clear, I'm neither. I just find militancy admirable.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

How do you see vegans organizing and creating this world without preaching? How do you spread an ethical diet? Like that one dude saying struggle sessions and party line… for a diet, what

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You can spread an ethical diet by making the ethical choices more affordable, and more available, today, in capitalism.

Just like anarchists who build things like: community gardens/farms, neighborhood affinity groups, etc etc.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Great point.

That reminds me Foguangshan nuns near Nanhua University in Taiwan. They sell vegetarian meals for 1 dollar so that the ethical choice is the affordable choice.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Also, look into your local fnb. Mine is Freegan and vegan.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh that’s cool! Why’re they always getting arrested tho? I don’t want to be but also do dumpsterdive on occasion

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

They're usually getting arrested for illegally feeding the homeless

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

they can organize among themselves. affinity groups that practice direct action are like my favorite political orgs.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Direct action? You’re implying something beyond ethics and diet. But what? Honestly don’t know! ;)

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

animal liberation front did some good work. earth liberation front, just stop oil.... you get the idea I hope

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

Ah! I do understand the point of those of course :)

[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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