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The article seems to be shittily written in my opinion but I figure if you watch the video (about a minute) it will get the point across.

My question lies in, do you think this will benefit the health of the people moving forward, or do you fear it being weaponized to endorse or threaten companies to comply with the mention of Kennedy being tied to its future as mentioned in the end of the article

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[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 115 points 6 days ago (34 children)

You know what would be way better than a symbol for "healthy" food would be requiring manufacturers to label food that fails to meet standards as "unhealthy." Bonus points if you tax it to death so it's no longer economically viable to sell garbage and label it "food"

Like, shit, the public perception is that I can't afford healthy food anyway. But at least if the unhealthy food was also labelled it'd be easier to avoid

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Why is a Payday candy bar 1/3rd the price of a bag of peanuts with fewer peanuts than the Payday has?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Because peanuts on their own have to be visibly pleasing as peanuts or people won't buy them. When you put them in a candy bar, you can use the crap looking ones.

Also, buying in bulk drastically decreases the price. If you had the purchasing power of Hershey, you could get your peanuts really cheap too. Join a food co-op as a starting point.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

But that’s like putting “do no chew or crush” on a bottle of prescription pills. That’s how you know it’s the good shit.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks for posting that. Honestly I would almost guess the article was compiled by AI, as it seems to assume you know information it has not previously mentioned.

If you notice it mentions the symbol multiple times but never shows it. (Not a symbol it can type) Where as a human would have written/drawn/ known it has to be shown or none of the references make sense.

Or I'm an idiot and they just are saying the term "healthy" is the symbol they are going to use?

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I read in another article that the “healthy” symbol is currently under development.

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[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 5 points 6 days ago

Wondrously helpful to provide a link to the information's source page!!!

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago

Not subsidizing corn would be a good start. Why is HFCS shit cheaper than vegetables? Rhetorical question.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (10 children)

And it will get reversed in a month...already heard Trumpicans calling it "woke".

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Damn librulz always tryna take my trans fats!

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

First, they came for frogs and made them gay, and I didn't speak up for I'm not a frog.

Then they came for my fats and made them trans.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

This is a good try, but no I don’t see it helping. Those of us who can afford healthier choices already do so.

My simplification is that most people fall into one of these scenarios

  • just need the cheapest, possibly emphasize comfort food - doesn’t matter what’s healthy if it’s not in your budget
  • proportions and quantity. This won’t help
  • prepared food, whether frozen or restaurant, is a disaster.

I fall in to the second camp. I generally know what’s healthy and try to get it, but I don’t succeed with portion control or proportions. If the wrong things still dominate your plate, and your plate is too full, it doesn’t matter if some things have a healthy symbol.

I have no idea how to fix people like me, but for the first scenario I really believe we need a financial incentive. Back in the old days you ate a lot of vegetables because what came out of your garden was the cheapest food. Now thanks partly to government subsidies, corn syrup is both the cheapest food, and appeals to our evolutionary desire for sweetness. Let’s start by redirecting those subsidies to support a healthier food supply, but yeah I think we’re going to need a vice tax

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago
  • proportions and quantity. This won’t help

If we use less high-fructose corn syrup then it will help since fructose delays your body’s feeling of satiation.

[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I agree with most of your post except the the first 2 sentences.

We don't know what we don't know. You assume we already know what the healthy options are. But with 50 years of education propping up a food pyramid that was developed as a marketing tool by kellogs we don't actually know what's best for us.

We think grains & cereals are the best. These along with sugars have the highest caloric value. It makes absolute sense to eat these if food is scarce and difficult to get as they provide the best bang for buck.

But in modern society where food is easy to get grains and carbs aren't good.

So reeducating everyone using the understanding science has developed oner the last 50 yrs is hugely important. We've been feeding ourselves based on misinformation.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

So are my cheerios healthy? They not only make that claim on the box but I was raised with that knowledge all my life, as were my parents. And it is oats, and does have what used to be a decent amount of fiber. And I eat it with yogurt and fruit. Yet it’s another carb, and has much less fiber, vitamins, protein than many modern breakfast cereal.

Are my eggs healthy? Or do they raise cholesterol? Or am I likely to cook them with less healthy choices? Is my toast more carbs than cereal or less? More fiber or less? Is butter bad or good this week? What if I pair with sausage or bacon?

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Not really.

If you cook from ingredients, you'll usually be reasonably healthy. It's not impossible to make healthy prepared foods, but it's (comparatively) expensive enough that that, not awareness, is the main limitation.

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[–] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

OP, please reword title of your post to be an open-ended question.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Ah, I just clicked the copy button as I thought it was one of the communities that required the title to match the articles title. (Jerboa doesn't show community rules on the side). Sorry about that

Edit: done

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I know I'm an awful pedant who doesn't wurd gud either half the time, but you meant to say populace not populous in the title. Hope you don't mind me pointing it out :-)

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Haha thanks. Nah I added that part in to make it fit the community rules I violated by accident. Thanks for the heads up.

Constructive critiques are always good in my book. (Wish I always kept that demeanor)

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Lower fat means more sugar. Have less of full fat products.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Fat is a necessary macro, and the public's ignorant obsession with fat-free is crazy, especially since it almost always corresponds with more sugar, like you said. Guess what the body turns sugar into.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

And research is pretty clear now that it isn't fat that causes the problems, it's unstable glucose

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[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 6 days ago

Probably most people like myself will ignore the guidelines. The advice looks better than before but I don't like half of it.

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