He is an illegal immigrant.
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That may be, but he's not brown and he's rich so it's ok
Wtf is this existence
In 2016 I thought That's it, the US is headed for a civil war 2.0 in the next 10 years. I don't believe that now because no one seems to be doing anything to resist this destruction of democracy by the silicon valley billionaires.
Move fast and break things will be easy for them if nobody even tries to slow them down.
I guessed back when the patriot act was signed after 9/11 that we’d have a fascist dictatorship by 2025. Well….
I really wish my ability to see patterns applied to seeing winning lottery numbers :(
you were too early in your predictions: trump is going to be pushed out in favor of vance and musk is going to vp.
Assuming they don’t throw away the constitution that their base likes to jerk off too, how would musk qualify? He’s not American born. That and being over 35 are pretty much the only requirements.
they won't throw away the constitution; they'll modify it and a whole range of laws and rules that will enable musk and a bunch of other things that will become permanent from now on.
Can’t modify the constitution without a convention, a constitutional convention needs 2/3 of the states to agree to the changes IIRC, that’s why there hasn’t been an amendment passed in a very long time.
Assuming they follow the rule of law, which they likely won’t.
The supreme court can just reinterpret the rules for them.
*will
can implies will because they always do whatever they can to support their very partisan agenda.
Independent judiciary, my ass.
that's project 2025's primary stated goal and it looks realistic right now since republicans already have the needful majorities in levers of government in all of the branches and the states.
the equal rights amendment was passed in 2020; so it's definitely possible.
I’m pretty damn cynical but I’d be surprised if they could pull of a constitutional convention.
I actually think it’s more likely my state would secede than a constitutional convention being successful. Especially if we end up in a tariff war with Canada and Quebec hydro shuts off power to us…
my state would secede than a constitutional convention being successful
that's both our only hope and the mostly likely avenue of attack since we're on track be only 3 states away (at best) from republican control in 2026.
the divide between the republican and democrat states is going to mirror the presidential election electoral college if the democrats don't get their act together and i'm pessimistic that they will since the party's leadership continues to insist that they lost because they went too woke and doubled down when they blocked aoc from the oversight committee position a couple of days ago.
Oh the democrats did not learn a goddamn thing from 2016 let alone 2024.
I know it sounds completely crazy, and it is completely crazy, but I think there’s a damn good chance my state will secede if Canada shuts off our electric. Especially if they do that in the winter. I now have it on my utterly batshit insane what could go wrong 2025 bingo card.
The other thing that might make us secede is if they try fucking with our state constitutional right to abortion. If both happen, I think we will secede. Maybe join Quebec or maybe become our own spot of Canada or maybe be fully independent like we were before the United States existed.
that's not crazy at all relative to the TRULY crazy part: democrat voters can see what they did to aoc and what the leadership is saying about going too woke (among MANY other things); but they're still going to vote for them anyways in 2028.
i think the bitterest pill to swallow is that it's going to work because the leadership (ie pelosi) is doing everything in their power to prevent the status quo from changing and will take all the blame with them when they finally retire next year or the year after that so that the new party leadership can look squeaky clean to their voters.
They’re never retiring. They’ll prop up their dead corpses to hold onto power.
and democrats will keep voting for them anyways because they're the "adults" in the room. lol
Trump doesn't qualify either. Their base only cares about the 1st amendment (when it's their speech) and the 2nd when it comes to owning guns (to hell with the "well regulated" bit). They don't even know what any other parts of the constitution say.
It says nothing about being a felon 🤷🏻♀️
Also learn to not shit on the second amendment:
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary - Karl Marx
The 14th disqualifies insurrectionists.
Not sure how my comment could be taken to be shitting on the 2nd
Trump was never found guilty of insurrection because the biden admin slow walked the case, and then he won the presidency, ending it for good.
More like a decay into a shadow of itself like the Byzantine empire.
Yeah I think playing it slow is part of the strategy.
You can't just take ownership of a country, you need to make people want to give it to you.
I'm for it for one simple reason: the sooner folks realize that our entire "democracy" is a complete sham gussied up as reality TV the sooner folks might start caring enough to do something about it
I know accelerationism is bad, but damn it, I love watching the US destroy itself.
So, the whole not born here thing suddenly doesn’t apply?
I don’t think that matters for speaker of the house? It does matter for president and vp
The speaker of the house is in the presidential line of succession, right after the VP. So that's a fair question. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
Secretary of State is #4, and that didn't stop Madeline Albright from holding that position during the Clinton years. I believe the accepted solution is that the succession just skips over anyone who is ineligible.
I’m aware of that, I’m not aware that they’re required to be American born, it would be an interesting constitutional question if the president and VP died and the speaker of the house wasn’t American born.
Edit - looking into it further, I don’t see the same qualifications being required as president and vp. For example, one only has to be 25 and up to be speaker of the house, yet one has to be 35 for president or vp. So again, I wonder if they elected a 25 year old as speaker and then a plane crashed with the president and vp on board (not possible they don’t fly together but let’s play pretend) I wonder if the speaker would be promoted to president to maintain continuity of government or if they’d be passed over to whoever’s fourth in line that meets qualifications.
They would just be removed from the line up succession. We've had cabinet members who were ineligible for the presidency, and they were just not considered as in the line of succession, even though they otherwise would be.
Edit: here's the text of the Presidential Succession Act of 1947
(b) If, at the time when under subsection (a) a Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall, upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as President.
Note that it explicitly mentions the Speaker failing to qualify for the presidency
That sounds most realistic.
Only applies to the presidency. In the case of succession, he'd get skipped. Assuming we still care about the Constitution by then.
Assuming we still care about the Constitution by then.
Considering we elected someone who's constitutionally disqualified, I'm thinking that ship has sailed.
He's not competent enough and he'd have the spotlight at him the entire thime. Please let it happen!
But is Elon Musk not already President of the United States? POTUS Elon Musk? President Musk? Isn't he? Isn't Trump just the secretary of making long faces?
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no
What if muskrat becomes Speaker of the House and trump and vance both resign? Is that a legal loophole to get a non-native (naturalized) US citizen into the presidency?
I'm pretty sure they'd go to the next eligible person in line, which is the present pro tempore of the senate
Am I stupid or doesn't the speaker have to be a congressperson?
The question came up last year when Republicans floated the idea of pushing Trump into the role after Kevin McCarthy was voted out. Just as was the case with Trump, Musk could become speaker because you don't actually need to be a House member to hold the position.
The U.S. Constitution's only requirement for the speaker of the House is that the person is chosen by the House of Representatives. Thus, Musk could serve as the House speaker if he got the support and votes to do so.
I'm not surprised by the effort, but I am surprised that this is technically allowed. You'd think the Dems would have just made the CIA director Speaker or Senate VP instead of doing it through Nancy and Schumer. Must be an optics thing.
that's some "woke" agenda there if I had to use the same term they made.
The right didn't create the term "woke". They just changed the meaning to anything they don't like.
Trump found his Beria
Hmm, there may be a long game going on here. Making Elon the Speaker is total nonsense, of course. But if enough Republicans insist, and we have another protracted Speaker battle, it may go past Jan 6, when the Electoral Votes are counted. Can they even be counted if there is no Speaker to convene the House? If they are not counted, it goes to a contingent election. But can there even be a contingent election in the House if there is no Speaker?
Keep this up long enough, and we end up with President Vance. Boy, will that make Trump upset. All his cases that are "on hold" start up again. And the new President starts his immigration crackdown with one very visible illegal immigrant who broke the rules when he came here....