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[–] hark@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

Billionaires use violence all the time to get what they want. Just because they hide behind layers of abstraction that they've set up, doesn't mean they aren't using violence.

[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

Don't tease me like this.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 25 points 23 hours ago

I'm for giving them a choice. The guillotine or we take away their money and make them work a minimum pay position in one of their factories for the rest of their lives. I'm pretty sure they would take the guillotine after a week.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 143 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Can't shake the feeling that swapping panels 1 and 3 would make more sense.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Clockwise from bottom left maybe

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

i think any order would work

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 147 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the amount of billionaire taint licking in this post is depressingly high.

the hilarious thing about these apologists is that the majority of the 1% wouldn't even piss on them if they were on fire. we are beneath them.

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[–] nroth@lemmy.world -4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This whole populism trend is concerning to me. I agree that some folks are more responsible than others for the problems we face today. Even so, singling out and blaming a small group of people for the problems we face, then punishing them with legislation, is not the most productive way forward. We need real, serious solutions. "Get rid of X" rarely, if ever, works.

[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

"rarely": so you admit sometimes the solution is "get rid of X" ? Then why would "get rid of billionaires" not be a solution for you ? To be clear I'm not saying we should kill them or physically hurt them in any way, we can simply reappropriate their wealth turning them into non-billionaire, also making it illegal for anyone to be a billionaire in the future. Why would that not work in your opinion ?

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago

No, no, we can’t be mean to the rich, that will upset them 🥺

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago

Every healthy society requires a robust guillotine maintenance capability, ideally across all competencies.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yes, kill them, by taxing them out of existence.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago

they will just come up with another new deal to temporarily calm us down.

then work on better propaganda to keep us submissive in the meantime.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This would be ideal but I'm skeptical that it's actually possible. Bribes are cheaper than taxes, so I think they'd likely just prevent the taxes from happening by greasing the correct palms.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Well yeah, that’s exactly what’s happened for at least the past 50 years. In 1968 corporations were paying 53% of their profits in taxes, and billionaires were paying 94% around that time! Btw, if you’re making billions, paying 94% still leaves you richer than most…

Contrast that to today, where the system is so obviously broken during a time when Amazon is paying less in total taxes than a fry cook at McDonald’s.

It would need to be done with actually no loopholes, and meaningful enforcement of consequences for those who would try to cheat (perhaps the guillotine).

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

one big issue is everyone goes "you can't tax stocks!" and then billionaires take a loan against the stocks with the unrealized gains as collateral. So we'd need to start classifying a loan as a realized gain of the collateral against this, with an exception for mortgages on primary domiciles, maybe also a "first million dollars are exempt," calculated on the full debt of the borrower, not per loan. I can't imagine anyone taking out more than $1M in debt against a properly they don't live in is not the rich we need to be taxing.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah. Virtually anything with an exception for the first million dollars will both lose almost no tax revenue (as a percentage), and never ever touch the rest of us temporarily embarrassed not-quite-yet-billionaires.

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[–] timestatic@feddit.org -4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Actually doing this would not only be immoral but just treat the symptoms of the downfalls of capitalism, not the cause. We need legislative change that has a proper social safety net, not violence LARPing.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 6 points 13 hours ago

In a perfect world, that would be ideal. But for at least 50 years, capital has been buying the legislators and we're backsliding even further from positive change. Without the threat, there's no reason for them to let things change for the better for the rest of us.

[–] narr1@lemmy.autism.place 28 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I support this idea. Invite most of the world's nations' leaders, too. I think the Met-gala attendees and G20 summit attendees might be a good starting point all-in-all. Then seize the means of production etc., you know how it goes.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Oh yeah and then what. The Worlds 20st richest countries leaders are dead. The world is in chaos and you think communism would solve all problems, just like it did in China, the Soviet Union or Cuba. The people there have no problems right. Violent fanatism jippie!

[–] narr1@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

final edit: I wrote some words here, quite a lot of them actually, accusing you of many things. Now that I've slept and am calm(er at least) I realize I am in the wrong here. If you got to read my message, I apologize for the words. Violence should never be the answer, because it breeds more violence most likely towards the innocents. That is the difference between this place and Hell, because in Hell there are no innocents. In any case, for what it's worth: I am sorry for going rabid, and striving only to insult you while projecting some of my own insecurities on you. I don't even know you.

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