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[–] hark@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

Billionaires use violence all the time to get what they want. Just because they hide behind layers of abstraction that they've set up, doesn't mean they aren't using violence.

[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago

Don't tease me like this.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 25 points 21 hours ago

I'm for giving them a choice. The guillotine or we take away their money and make them work a minimum pay position in one of their factories for the rest of their lives. I'm pretty sure they would take the guillotine after a week.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 143 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Can't shake the feeling that swapping panels 1 and 3 would make more sense.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Clockwise from bottom left maybe

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

i think any order would work

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[–] nroth@lemmy.world -4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This whole populism trend is concerning to me. I agree that some folks are more responsible than others for the problems we face today. Even so, singling out and blaming a small group of people for the problems we face, then punishing them with legislation, is not the most productive way forward. We need real, serious solutions. "Get rid of X" rarely, if ever, works.

[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

"rarely": so you admit sometimes the solution is "get rid of X" ? Then why would "get rid of billionaires" not be a solution for you ? To be clear I'm not saying we should kill them or physically hurt them in any way, we can simply reappropriate their wealth turning them into non-billionaire, also making it illegal for anyone to be a billionaire in the future. Why would that not work in your opinion ?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 147 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the amount of billionaire taint licking in this post is depressingly high.

the hilarious thing about these apologists is that the majority of the 1% wouldn't even piss on them if they were on fire. we are beneath them.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago

No, no, we can’t be mean to the rich, that will upset them 🥺

[–] timestatic@feddit.org -4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Actually doing this would not only be immoral but just treat the symptoms of the downfalls of capitalism, not the cause. We need legislative change that has a proper social safety net, not violence LARPing.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 hours ago

In a perfect world, that would be ideal. But for at least 50 years, capital has been buying the legislators and we're backsliding even further from positive change. Without the threat, there's no reason for them to let things change for the better for the rest of us.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago

Every healthy society requires a robust guillotine maintenance capability, ideally across all competencies.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yes, kill them, by taxing them out of existence.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 15 hours ago

they will just come up with another new deal to temporarily calm us down.

then work on better propaganda to keep us submissive in the meantime.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This would be ideal but I'm skeptical that it's actually possible. Bribes are cheaper than taxes, so I think they'd likely just prevent the taxes from happening by greasing the correct palms.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Well yeah, that’s exactly what’s happened for at least the past 50 years. In 1968 corporations were paying 53% of their profits in taxes, and billionaires were paying 94% around that time! Btw, if you’re making billions, paying 94% still leaves you richer than most…

Contrast that to today, where the system is so obviously broken during a time when Amazon is paying less in total taxes than a fry cook at McDonald’s.

It would need to be done with actually no loopholes, and meaningful enforcement of consequences for those who would try to cheat (perhaps the guillotine).

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

one big issue is everyone goes "you can't tax stocks!" and then billionaires take a loan against the stocks with the unrealized gains as collateral. So we'd need to start classifying a loan as a realized gain of the collateral against this, with an exception for mortgages on primary domiciles, maybe also a "first million dollars are exempt," calculated on the full debt of the borrower, not per loan. I can't imagine anyone taking out more than $1M in debt against a properly they don't live in is not the rich we need to be taxing.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah. Virtually anything with an exception for the first million dollars will both lose almost no tax revenue (as a percentage), and never ever touch the rest of us temporarily embarrassed not-quite-yet-billionaires.

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[–] narr1@lemmy.autism.place 28 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I support this idea. Invite most of the world's nations' leaders, too. I think the Met-gala attendees and G20 summit attendees might be a good starting point all-in-all. Then seize the means of production etc., you know how it goes.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh yeah and then what. The Worlds 20st richest countries leaders are dead. The world is in chaos and you think communism would solve all problems, just like it did in China, the Soviet Union or Cuba. The people there have no problems right. Violent fanatism jippie!

[–] narr1@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Why shouldn't I wish for people like you to die, who either defend the leaders and the oligarchs, who lick the boot, competing who's the best at it, in the sole hope that if they were to be, that would save them; or who are one of those people that should be taken to the guillotine first. You are the problem. Because this system you so ferociously rush to defend - you really think anything's gonna improve? Like really really?

Humanity has, in its search for infinite growth forever, flown past every marker, set by people who actually know stuff, by studies and statements by experts in their field and metastudies and the entire scientific method fucking EVERYTHING, that indicates that we should stop it, because it's destroying the world and everything in it, including most of us. Most of us will die because of the decisions of the few. And it is people like you (in case you aren't one of the few) who are still giving these people the power to do so.

And I don't think there's really anything we can do, now. Most of us, and I think you know who (or rather what kind of people) I mean by "us", will be killed by the powers that be, the ones whose boots you lick with such fervor. So why shouldn't I, or anyone likeminded to me, wish only for the worst for those people? They clearly do not care about anyone except themselves, so why should we reach across the aisle, so to say? They won't reach out to us. In this case, and I believe this is one of those universal truths, it will only lead to the empowerment of those who will not budge, and then - like what's happening in most countries atm - we get fascism! And don't get me wrong, these aren't your grampa's fascists, these are advanced fascists! With things to sell, like "security", or "stability", or perhaps "a promise that everything will be like it is and has been". Funnily enough, these are the same things the NSDAP sold in Germany not so long ago. With the same bible-thumping bullshit as the US has now. Back then it was the Jews (and the gays and the poles and the roma people and...) now it seems to be transgendered people first.

Also why do you think communism and socialism has mostly failed? Because of your thorough research of it, by reading and shit yeah? So you could understand the intricacies of global geopolitics? Or was it a teacher, or some other person of authority (which you are so quick to bow down to, clearly) who told you that "it doesn't work" and that was the end of it? Don't bother your pretty little head with thoughts like that; here, lick the fucking boot.

You are ruining the world and everything in it.

edit: add. probably shouldn't have even begun to write this, as the sheer weight of your stupidity has driven me so far up the wall that I can't seem to be even able to form a coherent argument. But then again, why should I? It's not like telling you the truth will get you to stop the boot licking. So I don't fucking know, come at me I guess?

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