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The US’s approval for Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied ATACMS missiles, capable of striking targets nearly 200 miles away, marks a significant escalation in Ukraine’s ability to retaliate against Russian aggression.

The move, coming after intense lobbying by Kyiv, allows Ukraine to target Russian positions with more precision and destruction than prior weapons.

Russia has condemned the decision as a provocation risking world war.

Analysts suggest the policy shift, reportedly limited to Russia’s Kursk region, aligns with U.S. efforts to support Ukraine without triggering broader conflict.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine could lead to world war.

[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Hur dur us invading a country unprovoked isn't to blame.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Make no mistake, we were headed there anyway.

Sadly with great orange Hitler in charge we're probably going to be the axis powers this time along with Putin and Winnie the Pooh and the rest of the world doesn't stand a chance because we have all the bombs.

[–] MisterLister@lemmy.world 4 points 42 minutes ago

I doubt the US is going to play an active role in that new Axis, no matter how much taintlicking Trump does... I think it's more likely we are simply declawed mostly due to a sudden internal focus shift (attempting to reroute the military to purge "illegals" and whatever other civil strife ensues as a result), leading to an effective breakdown of global presence and influence.

Once Trump takes office, the US is pretty much guaranteed to no longer be a global superpower. Maybe not overnight, but the damage done will take generations to fix and that's probably the real goal here... not to make the US join hands with them, but to entirely neutralize us as a potential threat or obstacle. We might still have all the bombs, but what use are they when our incoming government is more likely to use them on our own cities or be paralyzed with infighting about maybe not using them on our own cities?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago

Fucking bring it.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Lmao. Imagine if North Korea would tell Putler that he is not allowed to use their soldiers for offense.

Russia should have been thankful there were restrictions on the weapons Ukraine received.

It's such a baby move.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 5 hours ago

Russia could easily avoid a world war by pulling out of Ukraine and paying them to rebuild

[–] socsa@piefed.social 20 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

World War against who? You have nukes and a bunch of conventional forces which can't even beat Ukraine. If you have a suicide wish then fucking get it over with already and stop jerking us around

[–] NecroParagon@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

To be fair to them, there's not a ton of militaries that could beat Ukraine. They're pretty cracked. Gotta give them that, they're some of the best fighters we've seen in a very long time.

Except when it comes to retreating effectively. They suck at that part.

[–] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

Its not called Russian roulette for no reason.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 45 minutes ago

That Putin has threatened to end the world? It’s in the 20’s at least, but I lost count a while ago.

Part of me wishes he’d go ahead and pull the pin. Dealing with the consequences would probably distract Trump and his cronies for his entire term and would reduce the head count of his supporters, giving the sane folks in the US a chance to regroup.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 35 points 11 hours ago

In other words russias invasion of ukraine could cause a world war. Its not the ukrainians who decided to fuck around with russians.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 128 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The commencement of whining about how the victim defending themselves is horribly unfair, unreasonable, and must be stopped at all costs, is always a feature of bullying. I don’t know why, but it is.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 61 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

When the bullied shows up with a gun, the bully suddenly tries peace.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 hours ago

People love fucking around

People hate finding out

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 75 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Putin could end this at any moment, by withdrawing.

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 33 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

He never pulls out. Ask Trump.

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

He's still pushing that limb rope...

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

What is a limb rope?

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 61 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Russia brought another country in to fight. Full stop. Theatrics.

And I think it’s likely. And it’s their fault.

Edit: We lose too, btw. Head in the clouds, cocks in our hands, and then everyone is going to wonder why the power went out and the taps went dry on day one.

I swear half the US wants it because they think they’ll wipe the floor gg and go back to drinking.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 43 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

For any of this to lead to "world war" one of two things has to happen:

  1. The US directly enters the war on the side of Ukraine - If this didn't happen at any point in the last two years, it's not suddenly going to happen now. And it's not more likely to happen because the US "provokes" Russia, so it's irrelevant anyway.

  2. Russia directly attacks a NATO country - Why would Russia ever do this? They can't even defeat a NATO aligned independent nation. How the fuck would they ever have a hope in hell of defeating all of NATO? In what possible way would they benefit from escalating the war?

Russia claiming that American "provocations" will lead to world war is meaningless because the reality is that for them to be "provoked" into starting a war they would have to be provoked into voluntarily deleting their entire country.

No matter how badly this hypothetical world war 3 goes for anyone else, even if - no, especially if - it becomes a total nuclear war, the one guarantee is that Russia loses. And they lose hard. Putin's best case scenario here is great he Hitler's himself in a bunker in a few years and that's if he's lucky.

So unless Putin and every single person in his orbit have joined a suicide cult and are already cooking up a big old bowl of spicy Kool-Aid, there is no reason whatsoever to take these claims seriously.

[–] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Serious question:

What about China and Xi Jinping? North Korea has already thrown they're very flimsy and small hat into the ring...barely, but they did send troops.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

What about them? Suppose China sends 100,000 troops to Ukraine? How does that expand the conflict in any way?

This is the problem with people just buying this Russian line about America "escalating" the conflict. Increasing the scale or intensity of the conflict in Ukraine has zero bearing on its scope. China entering the war doesn't force America, or any other NATO country, to suddenly become involved.

It doesn't matter if China sends a million troops. Ten million. At the end of the day the conflict is still between Ukraine, Russia, and Russia's co-beligerants. Even if Ukraine somehow ended up invading China, this still doesn't directly involvre NATO in the war.

The only thing that can possibly involve NATO is either NATO choosing to get directly involved, or some opposing party directly attacking NATO. And none of those opposing parties have anything to gain by attacking NATO. So why would they?

[–] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Thanks for the detailed answer, appreciate it!

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 50 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

In less than two months, Putin will control the US military.

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 26 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm so glad I just retired from the US military. I'd hate to be serving while that dictator asshole comes back. I was still serving the first time he took office and it was bad times for us. We were able to push back on his more extreme demands of the military, but we don't have a Democrat-controlled govt to keep him in check this time around.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 27 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

More importantly, we don't have any morally upstanding senators with the balls to hold the fucking Republicans in line. Even McCain had to find out he was dying of brain cancer before he stood against the machine to defend the right to healthcare.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there aren't any Republicans left that will do that.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Mitt might, but it's not a guarantee.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

You mean John Curtis, the guy who's taking Mittens' seat? I have my doubts.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Gotta use up all the good missiles before then.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 39 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Russian Officials say a lot of things

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 25 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I'm kind of hopeful, actually, that the fact that they are publically whining so much about escalating to a world war is an indication that they don't have the means to do so, short of going Nuclear, and I think even Putin realizes how that will end up.

I mean, he is already bringing in foreign fighters. isn't that a concession that Russian fighters can't do the job in Ukraine themselves? If they had the means to escalate while still fighting in Ukraine, they wouldn't whine about it, they would just do it.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 18 points 15 hours ago

What's extra sickening to me, is that this cat has no trouble operating under the assumption that his own life, and power, and glory, are worth these unending untold thousands of other lives, when in actuality his life is worth less than any one of these soldiers'.

I'm not even sure they can go nuclear. Nukes are expensive to maintain, and Putin buddies have been embezzling that money for a long time.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago

Newsflash: there is already a war. A one Russia can end tomorrow if they fuck off back into their borders.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's still so weird they don't refer to Ukraine in any quality, it's always about them fighting the EU and the US because it makes their struggles look less pathetic.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Many 'leaders' and politicians create problems that give them a way to use their own 'solution'.

For Putin it's the West to justify gaining control over Ukraine. For many other countries it's immigrants to get into power.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago
[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago

Uh huh. Sure thing boss.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 8 points 14 hours ago

Worldwide special military operation

[–] Name@feddit.nu 5 points 15 hours ago

🙄 so could javelins

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Bark bark bark

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Russian officials? Fuck those guys