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[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

For context: this "religious body" is governmental.

In pakistan, military has gotten so powerful that they literally kidnap and torture you for being critical of them. And if you live outside pakistan they kidnap and torture your family members, demanding you to remove your posts.

And recently pakistani people have started to become more and more anti-military. So they are using VPNs to hide their identity to protect themselves.

This "religious body" is making it seem like this is to stop porn but in reality its about stopping people from being critical of military rule.

Edit: they banned twitter in february because people were organizing anti-military protests there. So the people started using VPNs and now they want to ban VPNs.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 29 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

US Christians: "write that down!"

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 7 points 1 hour ago

Won't be long now, unfortunately.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 41 points 6 hours ago (14 children)

Really wish our species could evolve past this moronic, religious bullshit.

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

Its not about religion, its politics. A few years ago the Pakistani military overthrew a very popular prime minister who publicly said that it was the military behind his removal. Then slowly and gradually there was more and more evidence behind military involvement which as a result, made the public anti-military. They have been kidnapping and torturing anyone critical of them.

But the more they oppress, the more people become anti-military. It got to the point that in february the government blocked access to twitter because of anti-military sentiment, so people started using VPNs. Now this "religious body" which is government appointed claims to block VPN because "people are watching immoral things via VPN". But in reality, it is to stop people organizing protests.

Also a governmental body can not decide what is islamic or not, thats not how islamic law works. It has to come from islamic scholars and there needs to be consus on it.

I don't think any major islamic scholar who lives inside pakistan has signed or approved this message even though they want to stop porn they know its not about stopping porn, its about making it difficult to criticize the military.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 33 minutes ago

No, it's definitely religion. Always has been.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Thank the Biden administration for overthrowing Imran Khan in Pakistan to install this dictatorial regime.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago

Baqarah Ayat 18: No one shall use VPNs

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 39 points 9 hours ago

"It is not enough that Allah knows everything you do. We must also know."

"That sounds like blasphemy to me."

"Uh..."

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 hours ago

Wonder how long until the USA has this

"VPNs are haram but tor browser truly is the work of Allah himself"

Some guy, maybe.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 47 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Encryption is totally and completely haram

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 9 hours ago

Which is super fucking ironic:

David Kahn notes in The Codebreakers that modern cryptology originated among the Arabs, the first people to systematically document cryptanalytic methods.[15] Al-Khalil (717–786) wrote the Book of Cryptographic Messages, which contains the first use of permutations and combinations to list all possible Arabic words with and without vowels.[16]

The invention of the frequency analysis technique for breaking monoalphabetic substitution ciphers, by Al-Kindi, an Arab mathematician,[17][18] sometime around AD 800, proved to be the single most significant cryptanalytic advance until World War II. Al-Kindi wrote a book on cryptography entitled Risalah fi Istikhraj al-Mu'amma (Manuscript for the Deciphering Cryptographic Messages), in which he described the first cryptanalytic techniques, including some for polyalphabetic ciphers, cipher classification, Arabic phonetics and syntax, and most importantly, gave the first descriptions on frequency analysis.[19] He also covered methods of encipherments, cryptanalysis of certain encipherments, and statistical analysis of letters and letter combinations in Arabic.[20][21] An important contribution of Ibn Adlan (1187–1268) was on sample size for use of frequency analysis.[16]

Ahmad al-Qalqashandi (AD 1355–1418) wrote the Subh al-a 'sha, a 14-volume encyclopedia which included a section on cryptology. This information was attributed to Ibn al-Durayhim who lived from AD 1312 to 1361, but whose writings on cryptography have been lost. The list of ciphers in this work included both substitution and transposition, and for the first time, a polyalphabetic cipher[23] with multiple substitutions for each plaintext letter (later called homophonic substitution). Also traced to Ibn al-Durayhim is an exposition on and a worked example of cryptanalysis, including the use of tables of letter frequencies and sets of letters which cannot occur together in one word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cryptography#Medieval_cryptography

But then Pakistanis aren't Arabs....

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

Decryption? Also Haram.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 61 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

The Council of Islamic Ideology said the technology was being used in Pakistan to access content prohibited according to Islamic principles or forbidden by law, including “[...]websites that spread anarchy [...].”

So they admit it's not (only) about morals, but also (or mostly) about their position of power not being threatened.

BTW: By blocking access to the internet, they stop people from following the order in the Quoran which states that people should educate themselves.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

A Mastodon user I follow recently posted that there are 3 types of laws. I think that is an interesting framework.

What Pakistan is doing here is definitely a "power law".

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

they stop people from following the order in the Quoran which states that people should educate themselves.

That's the beauty of the major world religions. When you have power in your hands you can pick and choose what you want to honor and make it public policy, and there's nothing the plebs can do about it.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, it fits perfectly with the other thing they don't want their people to know about (anarchy).

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 24 points 10 hours ago

It’s almost as if they would tailor their religious doctrine to suit their own needs. Who could have imagined such a thing could happen.

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 64 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

someone should point out to them that a vpn is the technological equivalent of the burqa.

either ban both, or allow both.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

Not like that

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 93 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

God would never use VPN, he has nothing to hide.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 hours ago

Aren’t prophets basically god using a VPN?

[–] socsa@piefed.social 0 points 4 hours ago

Muhammad on the other hand, doesn't want you to know that he looks exactly like the letter "f"

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 31 points 14 hours ago (8 children)

Except his genitals, how do you know God isn't a woman?

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The big religions have omnipotent or near omnipotent gods that can appear in any form or gender. One of their powers is usually shapeshifting. So they are whaterver sex they want, sometimes even none, like for example the christian god appeared as pillars of cloud or fire.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Those were just his jets. The pillars were fire in the night and clowd during the day.

[–] Redredme@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Read the book. Be it the bible, tora or koran. You dont have to read it very much, it's in the beginning somewhere.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

Is God not powerful enough to switch sexes?

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

But he works in mysterious ways.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Religious nuts want to creep on your internet usage too.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The craziest part is that this is only happening in Islamic countries and absolutely not happening in the West.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Dont we have political nuts that want to creep on our internet usage and even our DM's?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I think they were being sarcastic

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