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Not the hero we deserve, but the one we need. (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 150 points 1 year ago (13 children)

We just don't learn, do we?

Stop putting celebrities on a pedestal.

This bullshit celebrity hero worship has to stop. Fran was funny (and quite fetching) on The Nanny. What she is doing during the strike is great and all, but she is also anti-vaxx.

This is the problem that happens when our society puts these celebrities on a higher level than everyone else. Appreciate the work they have done on and off screen, but realize that they are just human and in the case of Fran, she is a little loopy when it comes to vaccine issues. She's not someone we should look up to. None of these celebrities are. Look up to your dad or a fireman or that really good social studies teacher you had in 6th grade.

[–] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Stop expecting perfection.

Nobody is perfect. MLK had affairs, the founding fathers owned slaves, Churchill was racist AF, etc.

She’s doing a great job now and we can educate her the same way we turned Obama from anti-gay marriage.

We should judge people OVERALL not on stuff like being anti-vax (which to be clear is dumb).

[–] Misconduct@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't expect perfection...? Being anti-vax is a big deal to me. That's not a harmless ideology. It's moronic and anti-science. This isn't just some little thing I disagree with it's, in my opinion, a huge moral and intellectual failure. I think it's completely fair that this gets brought up because it's directly relevant.

[–] BigJim@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to split hairs but she is actually against vaccine mandates, not against vaccines itself. She is vaccinated against covid-19.

Personally I disagree with her and support mandates, but there is a considerable difference between anti-vax and anti-mandates.

Source: https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/fran-drescher-sag-aftra-contract-talks-alec-baldwin-vaccines-1235517073/

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[–] ShakyPerception@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No!

If even ONE thought in her head disagrees with MY world view then she is useless and NEEDS to be destroyed!

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Stop expecting perfection.

That is a great way of saying it.

If you look at some of the biggest figures of our past in world history, the vast majority of them had some kind of vice or did some kind of thing or participated in some kind of event that would have gotten them cancelled in today's world. It is ridiculous to what standards we hold people today, but in the end, they are just that - PEOPLE. Highly flawed individuals, just like you and I and everyone here. That doesn't change the fact that they changed history (for better or worse) in one way or another. The problem comes when society then elevates them to some demi-god level and then everyone gets all flustered when that extra-marital affair or off-color joke or comments about some topic comes to light.

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[–] runblack@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

Now thats a very good opinion that I totally endorse.

[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is

All hail Sarah Silverman

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Oh god, what did Sarah Silverman do?

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. Put me on a pedestal instead. I've got some nice ideas. Like what if we made a car with a square steering wheel? I mean we won't know the downsides until we try.

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[–] exododo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't know man. My dad, my teacher and the fireman have no public presence so they won't be the face of any media workers' strike. And at least one of the above is also an anti-vaxx and/or an asshole. This lady is just doing her role and I don't think it makes much sense to undermine her work on this subject because her poor takes on others.

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[–] JH6@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God if there was one message I could forcefully implant into society as a whole it's this. Well said.

[–] wwaxwork@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't put anyone on a pedestal. Not politicians, not celebrities', not twitch streamers, not your girlfriend. You can love, respect and even like people, but don't worship anyone, it leaves you blind to their faults and it's a pain in the ass being the one on the pedestal in a relationship.

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Stop putting celebrities on a pedestal.

Unless it's me, right? 🥰

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[–] Gorbachof@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if Fran Dresscher is my dad?

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

She might teacher 6th grade social studies too! Shit. You found a loophole.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It's just a shitpost. Why so serious?

[–] persolb@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Everyone is a little loopy though. We’re all some flavor of hypocrite too.

I don’t mind celebrities being on a pedestal, because it is a common reference point for us all when discussing virtue or lack thereof.

We just all need to be reminded that they are still human and stupid in their own way.

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[–] chicagohuman@lemm.ee 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't get it

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 153 points 1 year ago

Fran Drescher is president of SAG-AFTRA and leading the strike against, amongst other things, studios wanting to use AI to replace actors and writers.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fran Drescher, the woman on the right, is the spokesperson for the current strike in Hollywood, where writers and actors are trying to force the studios to agree to not use AI in upcoming productions. To clarify, she's the current head of SAG/AFTRA, which is the screen actors guild (union).

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We should also add that she used to be the star of a sitcom called The Nanny in the 90s and hasn't been heard of much since, so it was a big surprise to a lot of people (me included) when it turned out she's been really active behind the scenes.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah a lot of people mostly recognize her for her very distinctive voice and it’s not what you’d expect for a union president who’s going to strike

[–] LeafyBirch@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's not her real voice. She got recognized for it, but her actual voice is very regular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DJ8B1ek_L0

[–] thesprongler@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Here is her SAG-AFTRA speech: https://youtu.be/mphpgRI00js

[–] spacedancer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can still hear the nasality in her voice, but yeah she hammed it up for The Nanny. Great speech too.

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[–] antim0ny@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here she is speaking with her normal voice

https://youtu.be/zNS2EtQbG5I

The other comment link showcases her ability to turn it off and on in a funny way but the above is relevant to the strike.

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[–] Hextic@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Nanny being the one to lead the charge vs Skynet is the exact shit I expect from this current clown timeline.

And I'm fine with it. Fran Drescher is awesome.

[–] RocksForBrains@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

She's an antivax conspiracy chud. Reserve your praise.

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Select your praise. You can praise her pro-SAG action without having to also praise or even care about her anti-vax postures.

[–] Hextic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Right now she's fucking up Hollywood billionaires. If true then I'm willing to use her like we used the Soviets in WW2.

The greater good

[–] clutchmatic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

She's passionate and she cares.

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[–] BurtReynoldsMustache@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Okay but I think we can all agree Fran Drescher is THE baddest bitch after having watched her impassioned call to arms.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't know who that is.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I didn't either until this thread. Fran Drescher is the current president of the screen actors guild and I assume this has something to do with the writers strike. I guess AI content like images and stories, plus their own likeness and brands, is an issue in the strike.

I'm not paying any attention to the writers strike because I haven't really consumed any new hollywood movies or tv shows in quite a while. Hollywood just isn't relevant anymore and they know it, there's just too much content online and other things to keep busy for me to care about their garbage.

[–] Kanzar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fran is quite well known for her role in The Nanny, and a pertinent scene is one where she fights not to cross a picket (strike) line, and her employer forces her across.

So a lot of us who remember this scene are all having a little extra giggle about the whole deal.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I always think of this article about how her surviving a home invasion and assault and then having a violent stalker while she was doing the Nanny led to the creation of the role of professional laughers for live studio audiences:

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/flashback/how-fran-dreschers-stalker-ordeal-forever-changed-how-sitcoms-are-made/news-story/bec34c6ea975c3c139002f6990e9234d

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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

left:

lead actress in the Terminator movies - Linda Hamilton

right:

Fran Drescher, lead actress in "The Nanny" from the 90s. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000376/ as well as other things, of course. but this is what i remember her from.

[–] yopyop@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

I think it's about the Hollywood actors' strike.

[–] doofy77@aussie.zone 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She's in the greatest film ever created: UHF.

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[–] ZombieZookeeper@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The highly nasal voice that strike fear into the hearts of machines everywhere.

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[–] hibby@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bobbi Flekman confronted the sexism in the Spinal Tap album "Smell the Glove" back when she worked artist relations for Polymer Records in 1982. She has known for years that "Money talks, and bullshit walks"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

She confronted it again in UHF. And kicked it.

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