I love In-N-Out. I could even ignore the bible verses on their packaging since it was pretty hidden. But I haven't been there since they refused to enforce the mask mandates during the pandemic - if they ignore one health regulation they don't like, who's to say they're not ignoring others? I won't go there again until there's some sign that sanity is taking over.
this post was submitted on 19 Jul 2023
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I love how religion means not helping anyone and you don’t owe your neighbor shit.
They have Bible verses on their packaging.
Didn’t know that. Never been but will definitely never try.
Take it from an Angeleno, they're really overrated.
I have been once, all I remember is what they sort of look like?
They had a reputation as a good company before the pandemic, and they let it go to the crapper during. Now they're sprinting in the other direction. Bunch of reality-denying dipshits.
They really didn't though...anti vax and anti lbgqt rights. Printing bible shit on their packaging. They were well known to be assholes
I'd rather not see their smiles and not get whatever illness they may have. There's a reason food prep people wear hair nets, gloves, blue band-aids, and all that other stuff. We're just getting done with a global pandemic, can we let people wear masks if they want to for a while please?
I have started wearing a mask if I have a cold so I don’t give it to everyone else. I am not going to a doctor for a cold. This is a terrible policy.
With all due respect if you have a cold and work in food service you shouldn’t go to work.
Which is why In-N-Out is replacing masks with paid sick days, right...right...right?
I’d be in favor of that. Paid sick leave should be mandatory in all of America. Some states already have policies for that.
Even better yet employees could unionize.
Yeah, but my point is obviously that In-N-Out doesn't have paid leave and is eliminating one of the few effective protections employees have to prevent the spread of disease.
What's your basis for saying that they don't have paid leave?
And it’s ultimately an issue not even worth getting worked up over because I’d be willing to bet about 99% of In-N-Out employees never wear masks even when they’re knowingly sick.
This story is outrage media. Don’t take the bait.
Vacation is earned on an accrual basis and can be taken after 90 calendar days of employment. Full-time Associates also accrue sick time at the rate of 6 days per year.
Source: https://www.in-n-out.com/employment/corporate/full-time-benefits
Is it paid?
If respect were involved, the workers would get adequate sick time for this to be a possibility.
How much you wanna bet that's not the case here?
If they’re so worried about customer service, they should be focused on changing their shit fries.
They shouldn’t have to smother them with cheese or sauce to make them palatable
I like their fries and animal style is disgusting
Isn't it a requirement in some countries that food handlers wear some sort of mask anyway?
This world is fucked lmao. I still wear a mask, never stopped. I had a double lung transplant and don't feel like rejecting my lungs due to something I can very easily avoid.
So, this decision is really bad for reasons that go beyond sick workers. It's really unpopular to mention but COVID isn't over, it's not gone. We just normalized the suffering and shunted the most vulnerable into its path. As one of those vulnerables still trying to survive, masking has been an exhausting situation. I mask, I have to, and antimask sentiment makes it hard to operate in a world that already wishes I wouldn't. Decisions like this cause harm in wider ways. I wrote an email to In-N-Out Owner/President Lynsi Snyder about this in response to this policy. I don't think she cares what this policy does, but I'm sharing here for others who may want to understand.
I'm writing to ask you to please reverse your recent decision to ban employees from wearing a mask unless medically exempt. This decision shows not only a complete disregard for the health and safety of your employees and customers, as everyone is affected by disease spread, but is also profoundly ableist and lacking an understanding of current (and historic) context. Requiring employees to not only divulge their medical information to their employers but also openly to the public is a mindset rooted in othering people who are disabled or otherwise medically vulnerable. In general, it's bad when a marginalized group must publicly declare their status as such, but especially now when people are already struggling to survive an ongoing pandemic amidst the hostility of antimask sentiment. This decision furthers that othering and hostility, making those employees into targets. But this decision doesn't just impact your employees directly, it feeds into that larger cultural antimask sentiment and perpetuates ableism. This lack of understanding of the impact of your decision is a clear message that it's not just those employees your company does not value, but all disabled and vulnerable people. Please show your abity to learn and understand the impacts of your decision, as well as your disapproval of ableism, and reverse this decision. Further, I urge you to demonstrate actual value for your employees and customers by adapting to our reality and implementing measures to reduce the spread of covid and other pathogens in your restaurants and other workplaces. This can be achieved through simple measures like improving the ventilation and filtration in buildings, improving sick leave policies, and other actions including, yes, masking by employees.
Thank you Xxx
PS This company push to ignore our current reality and new cultural understanding of disease spread is not just callous, it's boring. Be better.
I’m sure this won’t backfire
unless they have a doctor’s note
Edit: I’m only providing some pertinent information that the headline left out. Not trying to stir shit up, y’all.
Why did adding this little bit of context get downvoted? Yes it’s still a ridiculous requirement to require a doctors note if someone wants to wear a mask to protect themselves from illness but OP wasn’t commenting on that, just adding context. If we want this place to be better than Reddit we really should only use the downvote button against posts and comments that are off-topic, inflammatory, or trolling
Yeah! Get some damn upvotes over here!
I agree. That commenter may have been trolling but as a personal rule I only downvote people being rude or people I KNOW are disingenuous from other interactions. If I disagree I just move on.
Definitely not trolling. I saw the news elsewhere and this post was missing what I considered an important piece of information in the title. But yeah I guess brevity failed me.
I dislike this move by my favorite burger joint, but I also dislike headlines that are crafted for more outrage than is deserved. Even if it’s just a teaspoon more.
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