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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lenovo did this when they bought Iomega NAS devices. The final firmware before they ended support added google ads to the web admin interface. So now I have it booting Debian and OpenMediaVault, bye bye Lenovo.

[–] Feddinat0r@feddit.org 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So now more buying D-link anymore

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

this typo completely changes the sense of your sentence 😅

[–] Feddinat0r@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

Oh my... Really.... Thanks for pointing it out :) Of course i leave it

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And everyone still understood the original meaning

On reddit people would dunk on you for a basic typo lol

Around here forget an operative word like "not" and the eagle still lands haha

[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

>not reddit
>still hivemind downvoted for a positive comment

ahh feels like home

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How is this PC gaming? Are people playing games on the NAS?

I'll allow it (my authority: some jerk that doesn't even have an account on this instance).

Part of Reddit culture was hyper narrow focus on the topics of subreddits. I wouldn't be surprised if the mods of r/samsung_galaxy removed "Overall I like my Pixel better" for being off-topic, even if it was a reply in the comment chain "I have both a Pixel 5 and an S22 and the S22 has the better camera." "Other than the camera which of the two phones do you like best?" 7 day ban, rule 4: mentions another brand of phone without also mentioning a Samsung.

That doesn't happen here on Lemmy as much and I don't mind it. While a NAS isn't necessarily directly a piece of gaming hardware, I think a lot of gamers might have one. Any who stream might save video of their play sessions to a NAS, etc. So I think this article is of peripheral interest to PC gamers.

[–] bear_cube@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

A NAS, a router or Storage server all of the are computer. Just use old computer as nas instead of throwing them away.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 74 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Meanwhile Synology keeps updating my ageing NAS.

They may not have the best bang for the buck for hardware but their software package is really well put together.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My synology box is 8 years old now and still getting patches. I would actually buy it again. Good work.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I could be a lot happier with Synology. Honestly. When it's time to replace mine I'm just going to build one.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Same. I'm just making a Truenas server next year when setting up the new network. It's probably cheaper anyway.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like D-Link is telling people to buy Synology.

[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee 20 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Or just build your own? I have an eight-bay running OMV that I built using one of these cool little mini-ITX towers.

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago

Well whaddaya know, you get what you pay for.

That being said, companies should be legally obligated to provide security patches for a minimum number of years.

[–] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago

I have to say I’ve also been enjoying my synology - going on almost 7 years since this thing was released and I get security updates regularly still. Will buy again once this thing dies.

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[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 51 points 5 days ago

Alright, I'll just buy another one... from a brand that isn't shit.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 42 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I'm a little bit torn on this one, we're talking 10-15 year old devices here. The number of companies that will continue to produce emergency security patches for their hardware so old and having reached EOL four years ago in 2020 are few and far between. Caveat Emptor most definitely, but if you're someone who likes to keep their tech running forever, you're going to need to get creative, when the manufacturer eventually stops patching. For this particular instance, I'd recommend placing the unit behind a vpn on the lan.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 4 days ago

Most honest person in this discussion.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 days ago

These are storages though. They should last that long. Just by the fact there is still 60,000 in use is enough reason to patch it.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I mean...what IS "end of life" / "end of support" other than not patching newly found issues, after long enough? Not enough info in the article to indicate any kind of bait and switch or annoyingly short support window, and the support window didn't end recently either. Seems pretty reasonable TBH.

Then again it's a lot of vulnerable devices, and doesn't sound like too hard of a fix. But for all I know they've dismantled their tooling for testing patches on those devices, etc. Would be nice if they addressed it, but I can't exactly condemn them for not.

[–] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It looks like they just didn't neutralize/sanitize controllable input data so it should be a pretty easy fix. I think if a security researcher gives you a layup by identifying an easily fixable vulnerability a company should just take it, even if the product is old. If for no other reason than it's bad marketing when news articles like this come out.

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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yet again another reason why I won't buy proprietary systems like this. Make your own, if you know what a NAS is I'm sure you van handle it.

[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

I van handle everything... Honk Honk.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

And other reasons why closed-source firmware can go fuck itself.

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Laughs in uGreen NAS with TrueNAS.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Welp, looks like I'm changing brands next time I buy a router.

[–] ky56@aussie.zone 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Banana Pi R3 or R64 (OpenWRT). Some DIY assembly required but it will probably last you over a decade.

My favorite part about these is that they are unbrickable. There is no bootloader to permanently corrupt as the firmware that loads the flash chip is in mask memory and the firmware you load from OpenWRT is the bootloader + firmware. So even if the flash chip dies you can use the other flash chip on the board or with soldering skills replace it and re-flash it.

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The article didn't specify how old the affected models are, but any time you use an all-in-one device with proprietary software, you take the risk of this happening.

To some extent, you can't really blame the manufacturers for this, either. They can't reasonably continue maintaining software for their products for an indefinite period of time. As an extreme example, I wouldn't expect the old Linksys wifi router I used in 2004 to still be receiving firmware updates.

My NAS hardware is relatively ancient, but it's regular server hardware running TrueNAS. If TrueNAS suddenly stops getting updates, there's UnRaid, or just Linux. It really goes to show the advantage of using generic hardware with open software.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago (5 children)

you can't really blame the manufacturers for this, either. They can't reasonably continue maintaining software for their products for an indefinite period of time.

Shh, anytime I say this about Windows I get people coming out of the woodwork that say Windows 7 should be supported 15 years later.

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[–] blackfire@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Just looked it up and the DNS-320 Version 1.00 is from 2010. I get it on the company side thats old and was a given to be out of date. People who own it should take more mitigations to protect against any unwanted connections. Or use something that doesn't rely on proprietary firmwares like truenas or unraid.

[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Yup, doesn't surprise me.

I also have a NAS box that's out of support. Turned off all of the nifty services and firewalled the shit out of it so it won't be visible outside the LAN even by accident. Will replace it with a FreeBSD box as soon as I get a new hard drive.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“Okay, I found a great NAS made by another company.”

D-Link: “No, wait!”

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

Doesn't matter to the D-Link bean counters. Either case is a non-sale to them. Never mind that they tank whatever is left of their already terrible reputation, all they care about is immediate shareholder revenue generation, and spending money maintaining software for older hardware is a loss to them.

"buy another one you ~~rich~~ motherfuckers"

[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I hate these clickbait headlines

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