217
Authoritarians like Trump love fear, defeatism, surrender. Do not give them what they want
(www.theguardian.com)
Trump didn't put me into dispair, America did.
this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2024
217 points (98.2% liked)
politics
19090 readers
4031 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Grief is natural, but we cannot give up the fight. Tens of millions did not vote for this. If they want to take away rights, make every one a fight
Everything we fight is time they cannot spend moving on to the next thing. Drag every fight out even if it's something seemingly minor. Give them no ground
The more resistance they see, the weaker they become
Tens of millions intentionally didn't vote at all, knowing full well this was going to happen. At this point, I don't want to help them when the shit hits the fan. This is what they wanted.
Many of groups most likely to be affected did overwhelmingly vote. For instance, queer people voted even more for Harris in 2024 than they did for Biden in 2020. They didn't want this, and we now need to stand up for them
Isn’t this how it always is, though?
Of course those affected turned out. We always do. We’re often getting tear-gassed when 98% of people aren’t even aware a demonstration is happening.
The whole problem is a great many people can’t believe there’s an issue until it affects them, personally.
That’s the heart of it all. If this author had ideas on how to fix that, we’re all ears. Not sarcasm – we’ve been working on that for a very long time.
e: shameful English
Yeah, I went through all of this in 2016 and now here we are back a freaking gain. America deserves it this time.
Same
I honestly need people to show any sign that this country is anything more than what my ever-narrowing gaze perceives it to be: a country full of ignorant, self-obsessed narcissists that would rather see people sacrificed than endure the slightest inconvenience.
I have never felt like part of a community here in my life (only a renter, a homeowner, a taxpayer). I have never experienced anything approaching solidarity in my life (only co-workers, bosses, executives). I have never even really experienced culture here (only concerts, for-profit festivals, open air markets, malls, seminars, and conferences). Everyone in this country has chosen to sell itself out continually to the almighty dollar and the highest bidder.
The only way out of any of this I see is people building actual community. I'm not hopeful.
The barbarians aren't at the gate. They are your neighbors and coworkers.
This is hardly the first time America has been revealed as a country of deplorables for deplorables. One only has to go back to the civil rights era for a clear example.
The barbarians aren’t at the gate. They are your neighbors and coworkers.
Agreed though I prefer the terms workspace / living space proximity associates.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same tired speech we got in 2016.
Guess what, we fought, we organized, we donated, we voted.
Now you went and fucked it all up again while we fought, we organized, we donated, we voted.
And 15 million of you, including statistically a lot of Democrats and progressives, didn't do fuck all. For reasons unknown but I'm guessing petulance, economic anxiety, misogyny, supporting genocide, not supporting genocide. You all know the stakes, you didn't have our backs, you let the nightmare happen.
Now your coming back like nothing happened and tell us once again, we need you to keep fighting, need to organize, need to donate, need to vote?
No. I'm done. You all are on your own to fix your own bed. I'm tired of wasting my time and money on both Democrats who refuse to change and keep trying to be diet Republican and and progressives that throws tantrums and won't work the long game.
Get your shit in order on your own and count me out.
I feel the same way. Everyone has this blind belief that courts and laws are going to mean something to a group of people that laws don't apply to. Nothing is being dragged out or tied up except our bodies.
Yeah, the trust that the courts that are overwhelmingly now and going to be worse, MAGA controlled is bat shit insane. I mean it's sad that they haven't paid attention to everything they've done since Trump's days with the courts.
Yeah, hunker down, survive, get a backup plan and let America sort itself out whatever that may look like.
I have no choice at this point. I’m fully disabled, and most of my friends and family died within the last few years, so I have no support network.
I’m already struggling to survive, having to choose between food and medicine, and am overdrawn every month. All my savings are gone. I have literally no money to my name, and have been barely staving off homelessness for months. I rely completely on social services now, which trump has vowed to cut.
I will not survive this administration. My fellow Americans have voted for me to die.
How, exactly? They own the courts, and have the presidency, senate, and likely the house. How exactly do we fight back? America gave them the authority to do anything they want that doesn't require a super majority.
At the federal level, drag out everything and block everything you can. Their margins in the house, should it be called in their favor, will be extremely narrow. Let them in fight and flame against each other. Use every procedural rule to slow stuff down. Filibuster everything. Even if a specific issue is a losing fight, make them have to fight it so they cannot move on to something else. Republicans have used these tricks to block progress for a long time, time to flip it back on them
At the state level, we can much have more room to push back. A lot of what they are likely to pull is pushing things back into the states. Codify everything at state levels. Ensrhine our rights into state constitutions. A lot of federal operations rely on state government cooperating behind the scenes. Without it, a lot more can be slowed way down or made much more difficult
Outside the government, we still have power as individuals. Organize unions, protests, etc
What about mockery and name calling?
I'm not afraid of some stinky senile child raping weirdo.
No, they don't. They love themselves. And they love praise. Otherwise we are nothing to them.